Rober's taking some heat for his testing methodology (using old software, not

Mar 16, 2025
1:22:28pm

Abe Froman Truly Addicted User

using FSD), and for being sponsored by a LIDAR company, FWIW.

I haven't looked into any of these claims, but that's what I've seen on X.

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I know this is a "no duh" discovery, but camera only systems like in the Tesla really are inferior and the only

CSoul Hardcore Democrat

Mar 16, 12:55pm

I’m not sure that’s true. That being said vision only is definitely harder

Yiowa

Mar 16, 1:07pm

Counterpoint: I drive my car and I don't have lidar or radar. And I only have

EQD2

Mar 16, 1:10pm

It’s great except in heavy rain, snow, or mild fog

IGlowInTheDark

Mar 16, 1:29pm

That's a terrible counterpoint considering it has no ability to reason like a human.

CSoul

Mar 16, 1:38pm

I don't think it's a terrible counterpoint. You said there's no way we can

EQD2

Mar 16, 1:40pm

My argument to that is AI is not actually progressing really fast right now in practical ways.

CSoul

Mar 16, 1:46pm

It might be possible to get there in the future...

Spindash

Mar 16, 4:27pm

Unless you want to actually be able to mass produce at an effective cost. Lidar/radar isn’t ready for mass production.

cougXor

Mar 16, 1:18pm

Rober's taking some heat for his testing methodology (using old software, not

Abe Froman

Mar 16, 1:22pm

I mean this was just one example. Give a counterpoint. The reality is that inclement conditions are not good for just

CSoul

Mar 16, 1:37pm

My counter example is that human drivers are vision only. We accept

EQD2

Mar 16, 1:41pm

Which is a bad counter, because humans get significantly worse at driving in

russkiejedi

Mar 16, 1:45pm

The statement we are discussing is:

EQD2

Mar 16, 2:01pm

Where did I say anything along the lines of "Elon is dumb?"

russkiejedi

Mar 16, 3:29pm

That’s a fine endorsement. It’s not claiming to be infallible.

Coach's Dad

Mar 16, 2:02pm

Wait - he wasn’t even testing the latest FSD? C’mon Mark! That’s lame..

cougXor

Mar 16, 3:27pm

You’ve been tricked. FSD wasn’t activated. Autopilot possibly wasn’t even on. Oh

valleus

Mar 16, 1:26pm

I don't know how savvy the software is on a Tesla, but...

MarylandFan

Mar 16, 1:41pm

Now try it with real people who don’t know its there.

delbert

Mar 16, 5:58pm

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