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Mar 16, 2025
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CSoul
Hardcore Democrat
I know this is a "no duh" discovery, but camera only systems like in the Tesla really are inferior and the only
way we are getting fully safe automated driving for the masses is with lidar+cameras+radar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQJL3htsDyQ
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I know this is a "no duh" discovery, but camera only systems like in the Tesla really are inferior and the only
CSoul
Hardcore Democrat
Mar 16, 12:55pm
I’m not sure that’s true. That being said vision only is definitely harder
Yiowa
Mar 16, 1:07pm
Counterpoint: I drive my car and I don't have lidar or radar. And I only have
EQD2
Mar 16, 1:10pm
It’s great except in heavy rain, snow, or mild fog
IGlowInTheDark
Mar 16, 1:29pm
That's a terrible counterpoint considering it has no ability to reason like a human.
CSoul
Mar 16, 1:38pm
I don't think it's a terrible counterpoint. You said there's no way we can
EQD2
Mar 16, 1:40pm
My argument to that is AI is not actually progressing really fast right now in practical ways.
CSoul
Mar 16, 1:46pm
It might be possible to get there in the future...
Spindash
Mar 16, 4:27pm
Unless you want to actually be able to mass produce at an effective cost. Lidar/radar isn’t ready for mass production.
cougXor
Mar 16, 1:18pm
Rober's taking some heat for his testing methodology (using old software, not
Abe Froman
Mar 16, 1:22pm
I mean this was just one example. Give a counterpoint. The reality is that inclement conditions are not good for just
CSoul
Mar 16, 1:37pm
My counter example is that human drivers are vision only. We accept
EQD2
Mar 16, 1:41pm
Which is a bad counter, because humans get significantly worse at driving in
russkiejedi
Mar 16, 1:45pm
The statement we are discussing is:
EQD2
Mar 16, 2:01pm
Where did I say anything along the lines of "Elon is dumb?"
russkiejedi
Mar 16, 3:29pm
That’s a fine endorsement. It’s not claiming to be infallible.
Coach's Dad
Mar 16, 2:02pm
Wait - he wasn’t even testing the latest FSD? C’mon Mark! That’s lame..
cougXor
Mar 16, 3:27pm
You’ve been tricked. FSD wasn’t activated. Autopilot possibly wasn’t even on. Oh
valleus
Mar 16, 1:26pm
I don't know how savvy the software is on a Tesla, but...
MarylandFan
Mar 16, 1:41pm
Now try it with real people who don’t know its there.
delbert
Mar 16, 5:58pm
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