Some still argue the earth is flat. Data makes it a weak argument. 4-0 would

Jan 1, 2025
6:44:48pm

SwampyCoug Contributor

make it a weak argument the ACC, B12, and G5 only deserve one each. 0-4 makes it a stronger argument.

Honestly, makes no sense to argue losing doesn't hurt us and winning doesn't help.

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SwampyCoug

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All those who wanted ASU to win thinking it would help Big12 are kidding

JAGA97

Jan 1, 3:22pm

This is a true statement

Borg

Jan 1, 3:23pm

The logic is tough to deny

Pretorian

Jan 1, 8:03pm

IMHO, TCU undid all the goodwill by losing by ~50 points in the title game.

slappy

Jan 1, 3:24pm

Both things are true because that should’ve made the big ten look really bad

BYU '80

Jan 1, 3:36pm

And really BYU is a player or two and a decision or two

Big12Yfan

Jan 1, 3:24pm

100%

Coug98

Jan 1, 3:24pm

Agreed. The public perception of BYU doesn’t have anything to do with what

Yevin Koung

Jan 1, 3:25pm

Nothing against ASU. I just don’t care for Leavitt or Dillingham.

Fatalplacebo

Jan 1, 3:26pm

Or thousands of their biggoted trash fans.

JAGA97

Jan 1, 3:27pm

I haven’t had any bad encounters with their fans.

Fatalplacebo

Jan 1, 3:36pm

I’m guessing you were under a rock during the week of the game this year

BYU '80

Jan 1, 3:36pm

Not at all. I’m also not offended easily.

Fatalplacebo

Jan 1, 3:37pm

👆👆👆👆need more of this

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 4:17pm

Just because you aren’t doesn’t mean the behavior wasn’t repugnant

BYU '80

Jan 1, 4:52pm

Sure, but it’s still good for BYU if BIG 12 advances in the playoffs.

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 4:56pm

100% agree

407Coug

Jan 1, 9:25pm

When you and your teen son are challenged to fight by belligerent ASU fans, then

CT98

Jan 1, 5:37pm

Absolutely. I don’t think that has anything to do with what’s better for BYU

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:43pm

Just curious, did you attend the game?

bluescholar

Jan 1, 8:50pm

Yes I did. I live in Mesa so I wasn’t going to miss it

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 9:13pm

My question wasn't a response to one of your posts

bluescholar

Jan 1, 9:29pm

If you’re asking me, yes I’ve attended away games but not that one.

Fatalplacebo

Jan 2, 11:53am

I was at the game in Tempe this year, overheard a few things said by ASU fans

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:10pm

Is it weird that there are so many schools that have trash fans? Could it possibly be something else?

KYU

Jan 1, 6:46pm

We're the baddies?

Plantagenet

Jan 1, 7:22pm

Bigoted? I think you’re mistaken here. Assuming you mean religious. ASU fans

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:04pm

This^^^^

Coug98

Jan 1, 3:27pm

This is just fragile beyond fragile. Leavitt's fam's thing against BYU is silly

SinkingQuffa

Jan 1, 4:34pm

It’s not silly. It is petty and childish and disgraceful from an alum

BYU '80

Jan 1, 4:53pm

Yes, "petty" & "childish" are near-synonyms of silly. So you shouldn't be

SinkingQuffa

Jan 2, 5:15am

1000% agree. We come off as so soft as a fan base holding onto that

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 5:04pm

For me, an ASU win would knock down the SEC a bit....but I'm happy with ASU loss

StarMan

Jan 1, 3:26pm

It’s the G5 mentality.

tkh9

Jan 1, 3:28pm

Do you honestly not root against the SEC?

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 4:13pm

Sometimes. It depends on the situation.

tkh9

Jan 1, 5:26pm

More Big 12 success and less success from others = good for BYU

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 5:53pm

Disagree. BYUs success stands on it’s own and what ASU does won’t impact any

AlternateShot

Jan 1, 6:36pm

Were you a strength of schedule guy this year? Same thing.

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:38pm

Isn’t Texas still a BIG XII team doing all this in their first year in the SEC?

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 3:28pm

What? TCU then lost 65-7 against UGA to kill any respect they gained

2FarGone

Jan 1, 3:29pm

TCU winning it would have had zero impact on this years selection or any future

JAGA97

Jan 1, 3:32pm

Which is why college football is the best sport with the worst politics

BYU '80

Jan 1, 3:36pm

Dumb take. If you can’t see the benefit of almost beating the SEC after the ACC

YbeatsU

Jan 1, 3:37pm

OP said the committee bias isn’t going to change. OP is correct until proven

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:07pm

If the Big12 competes consistently against the top of the SEC and Big10, the

YbeatsU

Jan 1, 7:13pm

Just claiming it’s going to change isn’t going to make it actually change. The

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:31pm

OP was a bad example though. When TCU lost by 50 that really hurt.

Lefty24

Jan 1, 7:56pm

RE: All those who wanted ASU to win thinking it would help Big12 are kidding

YbeatsU

Jan 1, 3:39pm

Wrong….. a Big 12 win today would’ve helped the entire conference.

44C

Jan 1, 3:46pm

Wrong.

AlternateShot

Jan 1, 6:38pm

Right.

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:55pm

Don’t like ASU but this is true

Your Royal Blueness

Jan 1, 6:51pm

Care to break down how it will actually help? Is the committee next year going

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:06pm

The committee only has so many degrees of freedom...field of play matters.

WVU_Prof

Jan 1, 7:12pm

Field of play matters, but it’s not going to change how the committee operates.

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:29pm

You answered your own question. You can't trust the committee. BYU or ISU was

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 7:36pm

My point, and the point of OP is that won’t actually happen. The bias won’t go

Polecat

Jan 1, 11:28pm

Two related but separate points are being made. First, that ASU winning would

SwampyCoug

Jan 2, 12:46am

Whatever flaws the committee has won’t simply vanish due on the outcomes of

Polecat

Jan 2, 8:58am

Credibility,Millions $ for conference for starters

44C

Jan 2, 5:55am

ASU losing did not help. And naw, TCU did help. But must consistently win.

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 3:56pm

Had TCU even kept it respectable there would have been good will

Dr MoBYU

Jan 1, 4:00pm

I don't love ASU, but the play on the field matters in terms of perception.

WVU_Prof

Jan 1, 4:06pm

If the big XII is perceived as second rate then our wins are as well. We need both. Good conference and good wins

BYU Grounds

Jan 1, 4:13pm

Why do you watch sports? So winning & losing really isn't the issue anymore?

SinkingQuffa

Jan 1, 4:31pm

RE: All those who wanted ASU to win thinking it would help Big12 are kidding

Royalblueglasses

Jan 1, 5:00pm

You know our cheering has nothing to do with the outcomes on the field, right?

tkh9

Jan 1, 5:31pm

It matters 0%. But the more BIG12 wins in the playoffs over the next several

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:04pm

My feelings were not hurt by ASU fans. Not sure if that's just a general

tkh9

Jan 1, 6:11pm

Yeah a general observation of most BYU fans in this thread.

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:33pm

Except I’ve heard sports pundits say because ASU did so well, that BYU

Burton162

Jan 1, 5:34pm

The ACC, B12, and G5 teams went 0-4. You seriously think the B1G, SEC, and the

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 6:07pm

They could have gone 4-0 and they'd still be arguing against further inclusion.

tkh9

Jan 1, 6:13pm

So just roll over?

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:34pm

Some still argue the earth is flat. Data makes it a weak argument. 4-0 would

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 6:44pm

ASU not getting beat by 60 absolutely helps the BIG12. I don’t think that’s

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:50pm

Rooting for the success of other teams is more rolling over than arguing BYU

tkh9

Jan 1, 7:09pm

I think that’s a pretty accepted take. BYU needs to win. BYU essentially lost a

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 7:46pm

When you take care of it on the field the argument has no legs. Now it does.

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 6:36pm

100% true

AlternateShot

Jan 1, 6:40pm

You are forgetting that the big 12 gets more money if they advance.

VenomFarmer

Jan 1, 6:34pm

Come to BYU because ASU beat Texas? Yikes...I hope that's not our pitch!

tkh9

Jan 1, 7:11pm

Duh

VenomFarmer

Jan 1, 9:27pm

Utah's past P12 love fest doesn't change the fact that B12 wins help BYU...

WVU_Prof

Jan 1, 9:13pm

Spot on

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 9:16pm

TCU getting murdered next is what lost that respect. Them winning was big.

IronPotato

Jan 2, 7:36am

an all-SEC/Big10 semi-final would cement perception that Big12 is minor league

Hill4Heisman

Jan 2, 11:51am

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