All those who wanted ASU to win thinking it would help Big12 are kidding

Jan 1, 2025
3:22:48pm

JAGA97 All-American

yourselves. TCU beat Michigan in 2023 and was in the final. Did that help the conference this year? The bias of conference will never change. All we can root for is for BYU to control their own destiny.

We don't need to be the PAC 12 loving Utes!

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All those who wanted ASU to win thinking it would help Big12 are kidding

JAGA97

Jan 1, 3:22pm

This is a true statement

Borg

Jan 1, 3:23pm

The logic is tough to deny

Pretorian

Jan 1, 8:03pm

IMHO, TCU undid all the goodwill by losing by ~50 points in the title game.

slappy

Jan 1, 3:24pm

Both things are true because that should’ve made the big ten look really bad

BYU '80

Jan 1, 3:36pm

And really BYU is a player or two and a decision or two

Big12Yfan

Jan 1, 3:24pm

100%

Coug98

Jan 1, 3:24pm

Agreed. The public perception of BYU doesn’t have anything to do with what

Yevin Koung

Jan 1, 3:25pm

Nothing against ASU. I just don’t care for Leavitt or Dillingham.

Fatalplacebo

Jan 1, 3:26pm

Or thousands of their biggoted trash fans.

JAGA97

Jan 1, 3:27pm

I haven’t had any bad encounters with their fans.

Fatalplacebo

Jan 1, 3:36pm

I’m guessing you were under a rock during the week of the game this year

BYU '80

Jan 1, 3:36pm

Not at all. I’m also not offended easily.

Fatalplacebo

Jan 1, 3:37pm

👆👆👆👆need more of this

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 4:17pm

Just because you aren’t doesn’t mean the behavior wasn’t repugnant

BYU '80

Jan 1, 4:52pm

Sure, but it’s still good for BYU if BIG 12 advances in the playoffs.

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 4:56pm

100% agree

407Coug

Jan 1, 9:25pm

When you and your teen son are challenged to fight by belligerent ASU fans, then

CT98

Jan 1, 5:37pm

Absolutely. I don’t think that has anything to do with what’s better for BYU

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:43pm

Just curious, did you attend the game?

bluescholar

Jan 1, 8:50pm

Yes I did. I live in Mesa so I wasn’t going to miss it

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 9:13pm

My question wasn't a response to one of your posts

bluescholar

Jan 1, 9:29pm

If you’re asking me, yes I’ve attended away games but not that one.

Fatalplacebo

Jan 2, 11:53am

I was at the game in Tempe this year, overheard a few things said by ASU fans

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:10pm

Is it weird that there are so many schools that have trash fans? Could it possibly be something else?

KYU

Jan 1, 6:46pm

We're the baddies?

Plantagenet

Jan 1, 7:22pm

Bigoted? I think you’re mistaken here. Assuming you mean religious. ASU fans

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:04pm

This^^^^

Coug98

Jan 1, 3:27pm

This is just fragile beyond fragile. Leavitt's fam's thing against BYU is silly

SinkingQuffa

Jan 1, 4:34pm

It’s not silly. It is petty and childish and disgraceful from an alum

BYU '80

Jan 1, 4:53pm

Yes, "petty" & "childish" are near-synonyms of silly. So you shouldn't be

SinkingQuffa

Jan 2, 5:15am

1000% agree. We come off as so soft as a fan base holding onto that

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 5:04pm

For me, an ASU win would knock down the SEC a bit....but I'm happy with ASU loss

StarMan

Jan 1, 3:26pm

It’s the G5 mentality.

tkh9

Jan 1, 3:28pm

Do you honestly not root against the SEC?

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 4:13pm

Sometimes. It depends on the situation.

tkh9

Jan 1, 5:26pm

More Big 12 success and less success from others = good for BYU

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 5:53pm

Disagree. BYUs success stands on it’s own and what ASU does won’t impact any

AlternateShot

Jan 1, 6:36pm

Were you a strength of schedule guy this year? Same thing.

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:38pm

Isn’t Texas still a BIG XII team doing all this in their first year in the SEC?

LOLzzz

Jan 1, 3:28pm

What? TCU then lost 65-7 against UGA to kill any respect they gained

2FarGone

Jan 1, 3:29pm

TCU winning it would have had zero impact on this years selection or any future

JAGA97

Jan 1, 3:32pm

Which is why college football is the best sport with the worst politics

BYU '80

Jan 1, 3:36pm

Dumb take. If you can’t see the benefit of almost beating the SEC after the ACC

YbeatsU

Jan 1, 3:37pm

OP said the committee bias isn’t going to change. OP is correct until proven

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:07pm

If the Big12 competes consistently against the top of the SEC and Big10, the

YbeatsU

Jan 1, 7:13pm

Just claiming it’s going to change isn’t going to make it actually change. The

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:31pm

OP was a bad example though. When TCU lost by 50 that really hurt.

Lefty24

Jan 1, 7:56pm

RE: All those who wanted ASU to win thinking it would help Big12 are kidding

YbeatsU

Jan 1, 3:39pm

Wrong….. a Big 12 win today would’ve helped the entire conference.

44C

Jan 1, 3:46pm

Wrong.

AlternateShot

Jan 1, 6:38pm

Right.

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:55pm

Don’t like ASU but this is true

Your Royal Blueness

Jan 1, 6:51pm

Care to break down how it will actually help? Is the committee next year going

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:06pm

The committee only has so many degrees of freedom...field of play matters.

WVU_Prof

Jan 1, 7:12pm

Field of play matters, but it’s not going to change how the committee operates.

Polecat

Jan 1, 7:29pm

You answered your own question. You can't trust the committee. BYU or ISU was

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 7:36pm

My point, and the point of OP is that won’t actually happen. The bias won’t go

Polecat

Jan 1, 11:28pm

Two related but separate points are being made. First, that ASU winning would

SwampyCoug

Jan 2, 12:46am

Whatever flaws the committee has won’t simply vanish due on the outcomes of

Polecat

Jan 2, 8:58am

Credibility,Millions $ for conference for starters

44C

Jan 2, 5:55am

ASU losing did not help. And naw, TCU did help. But must consistently win.

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 3:56pm

Had TCU even kept it respectable there would have been good will

Dr MoBYU

Jan 1, 4:00pm

I don't love ASU, but the play on the field matters in terms of perception.

WVU_Prof

Jan 1, 4:06pm

If the big XII is perceived as second rate then our wins are as well. We need both. Good conference and good wins

BYU Grounds

Jan 1, 4:13pm

Why do you watch sports? So winning & losing really isn't the issue anymore?

SinkingQuffa

Jan 1, 4:31pm

RE: All those who wanted ASU to win thinking it would help Big12 are kidding

Royalblueglasses

Jan 1, 5:00pm

You know our cheering has nothing to do with the outcomes on the field, right?

tkh9

Jan 1, 5:31pm

It matters 0%. But the more BIG12 wins in the playoffs over the next several

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:04pm

My feelings were not hurt by ASU fans. Not sure if that's just a general

tkh9

Jan 1, 6:11pm

Yeah a general observation of most BYU fans in this thread.

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:33pm

Except I’ve heard sports pundits say because ASU did so well, that BYU

Burton162

Jan 1, 5:34pm

The ACC, B12, and G5 teams went 0-4. You seriously think the B1G, SEC, and the

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 6:07pm

They could have gone 4-0 and they'd still be arguing against further inclusion.

tkh9

Jan 1, 6:13pm

So just roll over?

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:34pm

Some still argue the earth is flat. Data makes it a weak argument. 4-0 would

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 6:44pm

ASU not getting beat by 60 absolutely helps the BIG12. I don’t think that’s

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 6:50pm

Rooting for the success of other teams is more rolling over than arguing BYU

tkh9

Jan 1, 7:09pm

I think that’s a pretty accepted take. BYU needs to win. BYU essentially lost a

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 7:46pm

When you take care of it on the field the argument has no legs. Now it does.

SwampyCoug

Jan 1, 6:36pm

100% true

AlternateShot

Jan 1, 6:40pm

You are forgetting that the big 12 gets more money if they advance.

VenomFarmer

Jan 1, 6:34pm

Come to BYU because ASU beat Texas? Yikes...I hope that's not our pitch!

tkh9

Jan 1, 7:11pm

Duh

VenomFarmer

Jan 1, 9:27pm

Utah's past P12 love fest doesn't change the fact that B12 wins help BYU...

WVU_Prof

Jan 1, 9:13pm

Spot on

EastMesaCoug

Jan 1, 9:16pm

TCU getting murdered next is what lost that respect. Them winning was big.

IronPotato

Jan 2, 7:36am

an all-SEC/Big10 semi-final would cement perception that Big12 is minor league

Hill4Heisman

Jan 2, 11:51am

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