It doesn't. But that wasn't my experience. And your assessment of your work

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Oct 18, 2024
11:02:21am

JAGA97 Intervention Needed

It doesn't. But that wasn't my experience. And your assessment of your work

doesn't really matter. One employee stated that she was getting all her work done. She had two 1 star google reviews in 6 months. I have had zero 1 star google reviews in 25 years outside of those. In the office other people see and hear your customer interactions.

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JAGA97

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Time

“If you don’t like it, then leave” what a great way to build morale and culture

arizonacougarfan

Oct 18, 10:30am

Hearing the same message at my work. Employers are cracking down

TADOW

Oct 18, 10:35am

He didn't say it like that and what else do you want him to say?

CSoul

Oct 18, 10:35am

Having been through these types of conversations, I am guessing they tried every single way to be nice about it

P-Boy Squad

Oct 18, 10:35am

People need to earn their pay. Only white collar brats complain about this

chismoso

Oct 18, 10:36am

You may need to read more about Amazon Morale and Culture (or.. lack of)

TheLost

Oct 18, 10:37am

Too many companies are getting burned by people abusing work from home.

byujacob

Oct 18, 10:38am

is there any evidence of this?

Deleted

Oct 18, 10:42am

We have had a lot at our company

P-Boy Squad

Oct 18, 10:47am

In my case, work from home answered less phone calls, sold less,

JAGA97

Oct 18, 10:48am

Here is my thing, is it abusing it if work is getting done on time?

Jay_L

Oct 18, 10:55am

It doesn't. But that wasn't my experience. And your assessment of your work

JAGA97

Oct 18, 11:02am

And what does, "I get all my work done" even mean?

CSoul

Oct 18, 11:03am

This idea that, "my work is being done on time" makes no sense. What white collar jobs do you have that are just

CSoul

Oct 18, 11:03am

I think there are jobs that fit a WFH or Hybrid work and some definitely don't.

Jay_L

Oct 18, 12:52pm

You are still building your own work. I've worked in almost every department in my company. You choose

CSoul

Oct 18, 12:55pm

I guess that is kind of true never thought of it that way.

Jay_L

Oct 18, 1:02pm

No, none of these companies have any evidence.

CSoul

Oct 18, 10:49am

I'm joking of course. Of course they have evidence. There is a LOT of it out there.

CSoul

Oct 18, 10:52am

Maybe amazon has that data, I just think there is self interest . seems IMO to be more a reason to cut without firing

Deleted

Oct 18, 10:52am

Wut? Of course it's self interest. To be a better company. That's all they SHOULD care about.

CSoul

Oct 18, 10:58am

And I would say even if that were their plan, they have every right to do it. And all their employees have the right to

P-Boy Squad

Oct 18, 11:04am

And so what if it is? Folks at least have a choice here rather than just

Ozymandias

Oct 18, 11:21am

As a WFH advocate, I’d be shocked if the data says there’s no difference

maxpowers

Oct 18, 10:49am

Actually, numbers are super high for WFH

Gustav

Oct 18, 10:51am

Couple articles citing study at Stanford and another from survey monkey

BYUfan92

Oct 18, 12:47pm

At least this is something. I am wary of most "a new study says X" articles

RoboKayne

Oct 18, 8:20pm

When you can't properly measure work, and I'd wager before

bald man

Oct 18, 10:49am

Most of my company is remote... our office is in Dallas...

Coug

Oct 18, 10:54am

They're trying to change their culture, hard to do. Lazy employees are the worst

Oct 18, 10:39am

At some point, this type of discussion always has to come down to that.

The Dark Knight

Oct 18, 10:39am

I'm 1000% behind him with his ultimatum.

TeeKaa

Oct 18, 10:40am

That's the great thing about liberty. Employers can have standard work practices that are not illegal, and if an

Ragnar Danneskjold

Oct 18, 10:42am

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JimmyZ

Oct 18, 10:42am

Meh, I have to show up for work every day if I want to get paid.

John Doe

Oct 18, 10:42am

I think that if you are someone who is awesome at working from home, there

BoiseBlue

Oct 18, 10:43am

So working in an office 5 days a week is now controversial?

notsofast

Oct 18, 10:46am

yes, it is completely antiquated for many jobs, probably most amazon jobs

Deleted

Oct 18, 10:48am

Years ago, the CIO came into a mtg to "build" morale

bald man

Oct 18, 10:47am

RE: “If you don’t like it, then leave” what a great way to

Jay_L

Oct 18, 10:50am

IMO if you WFH, you should have a quota.

maxpowers

Oct 18, 10:51am

Employees that are good WFH employees will also be ok with going to the office

BP4byu

Oct 18, 10:56am

People are beginning to think WFH is a right. It isn't

mudpupper

Oct 18, 10:59am

I laugh because my company makes you 'book/checkout/reserve' a desk each mandatory day in the office..

TheLost

Oct 18, 11:06am

They’re not doing it to build morale or culture. They’re doing it to cut headcount without having to pay severances

Mike Honcho

Oct 18, 11:07am

Yeah, it's amazing how often underlings agree with their high-ranking bosses on

RoboKayne

Oct 18, 8:16pm

Morale and culture is nice, but vehicle stress isn't.

BlueFever

Oct 18, 11:11am

RE: Morale and culture is nice, but vehicle stress isn't.

fredgarvin

Oct 18, 11:14am

They dont even give their employee Amazon Prime as a benefit. They dont care

MaximusMeridius

Oct 18, 11:11am

They are super stressful but they pay a ton. They pay about 20% above market for most positions.

CSoul

Oct 18, 11:17am

Depends on the job...not true for mine.

MaximusMeridius

Oct 18, 12:05pm

I said above market, meaning average. They absolutely pay above average. Giving examples of others

CSoul

Oct 18, 12:16pm

I work in finance...I have access to thousands of peoples compensation info

MaximusMeridius

Oct 18, 3:39pm

Plus Amazon will make you work 50+ hour weeks and tons of stress

arizonacougarfan

Oct 18, 3:49pm

I said above I would never work there because of that.

CSoul

Oct 18, 3:54pm

Amazon with full comp (RSUs, base salary, bonus) is well above Seattle averages for a controller. You say you work

CSoul

Oct 18, 3:53pm

Lol you sound like you've got it all figured out!

MaximusMeridius

Oct 18, 4:29pm

The exec is right. He may be hurting feelings but it is their company their policies. Now employees could unionize or do

BYU Grounds

Oct 18, 11:16am

RE: “If you don’t like it, then leave” what a great way to

Northwest Cougar

Oct 18, 11:28am

Or a way to weed out some people w/o firing them or to send a message that

BYUfan92

Oct 18, 12:51pm

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