In some instances, it can get the student expelled from the program. That's what

Oct 4, 2024
1:05:10pm

Archaea Intervention Needed

happened when I was at BYU.

"Ted" was found to have copied some paper. I don't remember the entire extent of it, but he was expelled from law school over it.

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A masters level student just emailed me

DataMouth

Oct 4, 12:25pm

"She attached a $50 to it."

RobAdams

Oct 4, 12:27pm

My colleague gives lower grades than me. I thought I’d use her grades this time.

Florwood

Oct 4, 12:27pm

Message:

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:27pm

how much of a grade difference are we talking? Did the same person grade each?

SalmonOfCapistrano

Oct 4, 12:27pm

RE: A masters level student just emailed me

TheHop

Oct 4, 12:28pm

"Papers are kinda like Dad jokes - only really good the first time you use it."

Eddie

Oct 4, 12:30pm

Worth an F all times after that. Thanks for letting me know.

Soupie

Oct 4, 12:44pm

Or - "I wanted to be more creative than just give the same boring grade again."

Eddie

Oct 4, 12:48pm

"I figured one of us should have an original thought"

notaboy

Oct 4, 12:57pm

These are the people who graduate with a masters degree in whatever it is and are considered “experts” by others

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 12:32pm

Usually, people don't rely upon lowly Masters people as experts. You must

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:35pm

But there have been a lot of similar findings in "expert" publications recently.

SalmonOfCapistrano

Oct 4, 12:40pm

Similar findings of what? Your argument is unclear.

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:43pm

plagiarism.

SalmonOfCapistrano

Oct 4, 12:45pm

Huh. Have people noted plagiarism in a minority of expert publications? Yes.

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:47pm

Archaea, I bet you have a PhD, are an academic and lean liberal…am I close?

7FootRussian

Oct 5, 9:07pm

Tough to be considered an expert if you haven't done any meaningful research.

Eddie

Oct 4, 12:41pm

Precisely. The narrative to denigrate expertise and to place lay persons on par

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:42pm

I’m not saying that normies should be held up to the same level. But I do 100% now start from a place of skepticism

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 1:44pm

I listen to what the expert says

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:49pm

I think we’re on the same page then. I would add the application of common sense to the evaluation, though

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 3:37pm

the difference is nuance; I don't automatically assume they are wrong but

Archaea

Oct 4, 5:40pm

I think everyone would be better served if they started from a place of skepticism when presented with information until

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 5:44pm

Trust but verify.

Archaea

Oct 4, 6:03pm

My bad, I agree for most fields more than a masters is required. My comment is based off of

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 1:14pm

Research and experience is required to be an

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:24pm

We’re told that people are experts by those who we trust to vet them all the time.

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 1:42pm

Who is "we" and what was the purpose of the meeing?

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:57pm

You gotta improve your plagiarism numbers to be an "expert".

greatbam

Oct 5, 3:04pm

I’d be careful with a funny response because

stoils

Oct 4, 12:33pm

Yes. Subtly ask for clarification in ways that won't draw suspicion

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 12:37pm

Why provide an out? Let them sink or swim on his or her own account.

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:39pm

It's just gathering information. There's still a small chance they didn't do

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 12:43pm

Report as is. Let the investigators determine

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:44pm

Fair enough. If it was me, I'd want to dig a little more to confirm it is what I

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 12:47pm

"Can you provide me evidence of your friend's submission? I'll look into it"

ryebrye

Oct 4, 12:44pm

Like this, but avoid words like "evidence"

Still Blue

Oct 4, 1:24pm

Ask: Did she share the paper with you or did you steal it?

BlueKarma

Oct 4, 12:35pm

I thought people with masters degrees were smart. Changing my thoughts now

chismoso

Oct 4, 12:36pm

Degrees only mean people stayed in school longer. Doesn't indicate intelligence

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 12:49pm

That narrative isn't useful. Diligence, putting one's time in, and doing

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:58pm

It is useful, it's a reminder to experts that they're just like everyone else.

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 1:07pm

Not true.

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:26pm

We'll, thisis a master's student. Doesn't have a degree and whether they end up

fattycoug

Oct 4, 3:13pm

Invite her to make a 30 minute presentation to the class, and let the

BlueFever

Oct 4, 12:38pm

"The good news is, I'll change your score. The bad news is, it's now a 0."

durandal

Oct 4, 12:39pm

Give her + 20% for comparative reasoning and -50% for cheating.

valleus

Oct 4, 12:40pm

Deflation

Shawarma

Oct 4, 12:41pm

Congrats on qualifying to be the next Ivy League University President!

RJCOD

Oct 4, 12:42pm

Just don’t respond at all.

The Old Y

Oct 4, 12:46pm

Cheating aside, are they right? You graded the same paper with a different grade? Was it the same assignment?

TCuz

Oct 4, 12:48pm

Please post the entire message. The paraphrase leaves way too much uncertainty.

Scratch

Oct 4, 12:52pm

If you borrowed large portions without attribution, it's plagiarism

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:55pm

Yep, no doubt about it, but there are lots of missing relevant details.

Scratch

Oct 4, 1:06pm

Ask for the name of the other student so you can "research it" and that you

CMM Cougar

Oct 4, 12:56pm

+50% grade for understanding how the real business world works

Cougarclaw

Oct 4, 12:56pm

Did you know that she plagiarized the paper ahead of time?

Zoobieman

Oct 4, 12:59pm

Plagiarism is no laughing matter, especially at the Madter’s level.

Everyman

Oct 4, 1:01pm

In some instances, it can get the student expelled from the program. That's what

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:05pm

When Chuck got caught cheating on a test at Stanford, he was kicked out too.

Eddie

Oct 4, 1:12pm

"I hope you didn't pay her too much"

thewaterboy

Oct 4, 1:02pm

Her grade was boosted for originality. And it sounds like your grade was higher than it should have been.

unctoothman

Oct 4, 1:45pm

Serious answer from another Prof. This one should be handled in person. Invite your

Soupie

Oct 5, 9:17am

My brother went to the top dental school in the country. Couldn’t believe how

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