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Jun 30, 2024
4:35:30pm

Junior Deputy All-American

You’re right, BYU hasn’t lost to Oregon State or Arizona in the recent past. We

have racked up wins against Stanford, USC, Arizona, Wazzou, Arizona State and of course Utah in the past couple years though. So I guess our experience hasn’t been quite the same.

We both got smoked by Oregon the last time we played though! So there’s that.

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Jay Hill’s warning to Utah is correct. He’s just trying to help them. They’re in for a rude awakening. Remember how

RdF3 Inactive user

Jun 29, 10:13pm

Remember how Sagarin said the P12 was better than the B12 last year? And that

Scratch

Jun 29, 10:23pm

Until rising proves he can beat a non-pac12 p4 team, it’s a fair criticism

Longseason

Jun 29, 10:25pm

Yep. Utes hate road trips, and they're going to have some long ones in Big12

runnincoug

Jun 29, 10:43pm

Their schedule is pretty light this year.

davidmj10

Jun 30, 8:39am

True. Keeping the orphan 4 together is a huge advantage for them

Longseason

Jun 30, 9:17am

Arizona is going to be a tough team this year most likely.

davidmj10

Jun 30, 12:29pm

Ok so he lost to Ohio State, Penn State, and Florida and the only game he

uteman13

Jun 30, 11:09am

Sagarin??? He was bad enough in BCS days, and now he copies the FPI. You must

88Coug

Jun 29, 10:35pm

How did Utah do last year in that amazing P12?

puntersarepeople

Jun 29, 10:44pm

If BYU was in the PAC 12. We would have a lost Rose Bowl also.

ParentingNotForSissy

Jun 30, 12:13pm

Still beating that PAC drum. It’s ok. Let it go.

Sparkling Delirium

Jun 30, 7:57pm

Jay Hill better watch himself. Does he not know these teams come from the [gssp] pac 12?

Bob Vance

Jun 29, 10:32pm

The way to beat Utah is with a good power running game. That's half the Big 12

byusage

Jun 29, 10:45pm

Not sure I agree. Man defense is built to stop the run.

TheRowdy

Jun 29, 11:56pm

The strength of Utah's defense is physical bump and run man coverage and

byusage

Jun 30, 3:00pm

You make good points. I think you’ll see the Utes struggle more with middle of

puntersarepeople

Jun 30, 3:07pm

Utah had the 4th best running defense in the nation last year.

Jun 30, 6:25am

I guarantee they wouldn't have been 4th if they were in the Big 12 last year.

byusage

Jun 30, 6:49am

Ok. 4th in a conference with Texas and OU and Utah with no QB? Fair enough, but what’s your point?

Jun 30, 8:19am

When you’re on another team’s board there is always strength in numbers and

uteman13

Jun 30, 11:12am

The point is the top RBs in the country are back and in the Big 12 for this

byusage

Jun 30, 11:57am

I think the utes will actually fair better in the Big 12 than their fellow P12 members. The utes only succeeded with an

ManicBlue

Jun 30, 12:23am

Utah and whit will have no problem. His teams have always been physical.

Idacoug

Jun 30, 6:06am

Yeah, BYU fan can deny and downplay a lot of things about Utah football, but

CallSign

Jun 30, 7:31am

Jay....look at the schedules and tell me which games next year are harder compared to last. Here's a comparison of

Jun 30, 6:18am

Uh ... I can't seem to remember the utes winning the P12 last year. How did last season go again?

ManicBlue

Jun 30, 8:23am

That’s the point. The schedule is much easier so it is much more realistic to compete for a championship,

Jun 30, 10:24am

This discussion doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of Utah’s team,

Scratch

Jun 30, 10:28am

Seriously. Nobody can answer the question and tell me which games are harder.

Jun 30, 11:07am

I think Jay is speaking more broadly. Utah hangs their hat on physical play,

Jun 30, 3:59pm

You had me until you compared BYU's P12 success to Utah's...

Jun 30, 4:12pm

You’re right, BYU hasn’t lost to Oregon State or Arizona in the recent past. We

Jun 30, 4:35pm

Yeah the AZ and OSU teams you played weren’t anywhere near what they were last year.

Jun 30, 5:18pm

I mean...the answer to this question is Wazzu 2021, ASU 2021 and Utah 2021

krindorr

Jun 30, 7:31pm

Just by recruiting geographies that should be plainly obvious. Teams that rely on West Coast recruits v. teams

mokelembembe

Jun 30, 7:05am

This is just him saying something because he had to say something

Strawhat4life

Jun 30, 7:51am

I do think the Big 12 is generally more physical than the PAC; see linked analysis

krindorr

Jun 30, 10:55am

That makes sense, I can see the argument that OG big12 members

Strawhat4life

Jun 30, 5:34pm

The RBs in the B12 are a force. Historically P12 RBs weren’t too shabby

Srg

Jun 30, 9:05am

Wasn’t utahs schedule ranked one of the easiest in the big 12 this year? I don’t

Jun 30, 10:47am

So, I am no fan of the Utes, but

Jun 30, 12:37pm

I hope the other schools have been paying close attention to the fact that

BlueFever

Jun 30, 12:57pm

Where is that? I’m not sure some people saying they’re the favorite is already

Scratch

Jun 30, 3:08pm

Semantics.

BlueFever

Jun 30, 3:26pm

Semantics? Seriously? That’s a huge difference.

Scratch

Jun 30, 4:05pm

You're not fooling anyone with this charade, my friend.

BlueFever

Jul 1, 7:31am

Of course I don't think that. I don't know anyone who does. I'd say they're

Scratch

Jul 1, 10:17am

Let's see what some of your comrades are saying:

BlueFever

Jul 1, 10:33am

Wow. That's not at all what that means. I do love that that's the best you can

Scratch

Jul 1, 10:40am

I didn't see "reasonable goal" anywhere in that post, did you?

BlueFever

Jul 1, 11:00am

That's essentially what he says. There certainly isn't anything there about it

Scratch

Jul 1, 11:09am

No, when the bar for this guy is the playoffs,

BlueFever

Jul 1, 11:17am

Not true. "Setting the bar" is the level at which you will consider yourself a

Scratch

Jul 1, 11:33am

You don't even understand your own fanbase. lol

BlueFever

Jul 1, 12:06pm

He said a rude awakening as far as physicality of the league. Yes, the Big Xll

Jun 30, 1:11pm

The Utes think all their answers to their offensive woes will be solved

I'mBatman

Jun 30, 1:26pm

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