Like I said, they were good teams, but not elite.

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Jun 26, 2024
12:44:56pm

CallSign Contributor

Like I said, they were good teams, but not elite.

Also, hard to believe that the offensive unit was elite.

We’re talking about Zach Wilson who in his college career threw more touchdowns to opposing P5 teams than he did to his own team.

You were so convinced that ZW and the offense were elite coming into 2020 that you wanted to give Baylor Romney the ball.

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The continued belittling of the 2020 BYU team is just ridiculous

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

Jun 26, 7:58am

Careful, you’re going to agitate the Anti-Kalani mob

arizonacougarfan

Jun 26, 8:00am

Right now, I'm more concerned about the anti-2020 nonsense.

Indy Coug

Jun 26, 8:00am

Yes. TNT is very agitated now

TNT

Jun 26, 8:09am

Live look at TNT thinking of our coach.

Nakedbootleg

Jun 26, 8:16am

Is it as bad as being distracted by your kid, during a great pinball game?

Mabuhay Coug

Jun 26, 9:02am

He wonders what that table is

TNT

Jun 26, 9:04am

All four of them are going to be furious!

MaxxPower

Jun 26, 11:57am

Agreed. 2020 most underrated team ever at BYU. The schedule wasn’t that hard but

DanSmith

Jun 26, 8:05am

You don’t get to use 2021 records to show how good the teams were in 2020 because 2020 was weird.

shimmy

Jun 26, 8:13am

"Most Underrated" is a bold statement. Where do you think they would have been

Gorum the Old

Jun 26, 1:15pm

That was a solid team. Plenty of other reasons to express concern for Kalani than to drag that team. I do, however,

shimmy

Jun 26, 8:12am

And the MOV is what counters the SOS rebuttal

Indy Coug

Jun 26, 8:18am

Comparing 2020 to other seasons creates a whole bunch of issues anyway, but sure we killed most teams.

shimmy

Jun 26, 8:22am

Only 2 of 2,275 team-seasons by non-P5 teams since 1980 had an average MOV larger than 2020 BYU's

Indy Coug

Jun 26, 8:25am

Impressive. Hope we see more of that this year.

shimmy

Jun 26, 8:45am

Folks have to belittle 2020 in order for the “Kalani sucks” narrative to work.

myfriendryan

Jun 26, 8:14am

Actually you don’t have to do that. Even giving KS the 2020 yr his coaching

kotacoug

Jun 26, 8:38am

Nah. Considering the amount BYU spent on assistant coaches and the lack of

donnerstag

Jun 26, 9:15am

His bad seasons far outweigh the good ones. Any other p5 school would’ve gotten

maxpowers

Jun 26, 8:39am

Exactly

kotacoug

Jun 26, 8:39am

*p4

maxpowers

Jun 26, 8:39am

We have one season as a P4.

Jun 26, 10:56am

The team was fine. The issues that year were coaching related.

Longseason

Jun 26, 8:18am

To be honest

Jun 26, 8:20am

All winning P4 programs outside an elite tier are cyclical

donnerstag

Jun 26, 8:26am

Even elite tier is cyclical…just shorter losing cycles when legend coach retires

DwigtA2RM

Jun 26, 10:09am

Can you provide 3 coaches who have been at the top, fell off dramatically, and

palangi

Jun 26, 12:06pm

Off the top of my head, Patterson at tcu was pretty up and down.

viper

Jun 26, 2:51pm

Clemson coach and Kyle Whittington

donnerstag

Jun 26, 2:57pm

definitely not Clemson, but Patterson And KWhit are legit examples

palangi

Jun 26, 3:13pm

Matt Wells was a rollercoaster coach also

donnerstag

Jun 26, 3:20pm

He seems to be able to lock in for specific games but then seems uninterested by

Longseason

Jun 26, 8:30am

That team was good and was likely a 1 - 3 loss team (at most) with the original

Beggar

Jun 26, 10:40am

Well said. Lots of CBers are indeed "unbalanced by their dislike of

porl thompson

Jun 26, 8:37am

Few other program would still have KS as their HC based on his last 8 yrs

kotacoug

Jun 26, 8:40am

Few other schools also want a temple recommend, and HC restrictions, and etc

Iki_Balam

Jun 26, 9:02pm

I would put the 2020 and 2021 teams against any of the 2006-2009 teams

Jun 26, 8:40am

Also, KS is not one to run up the score.

ImuaKahuku

Jun 26, 8:53am

Great post Indy! Would be my POTD had I not already given it...

1CougFan

Jun 26, 9:04am

Two things: 1) BYU fan projected and continues to try to project from 2020.

CallSign

Jun 26, 9:31am

Last sentence is a little telling. If you’re expecting 1984 again, you’re going to be disappointed regardless of who is

mvtoro

Jun 26, 9:37am

He's a Ute troll.

Jun 26, 10:57am

Ohhhhh that checks out. Notes updated 🙏🏻

mvtoro

Jun 26, 11:03am

Speaking of anomies, the loss against coastal Carolina was one of those.

Jun 26, 9:37am

Anyone, any place, any time…

CallSign

Jun 26, 9:44am

So we disregard anomalies? 👍🏻 Amazing season then.

mvtoro

Jun 26, 9:47am

We only disregard the anomies that work against his point

Jun 26, 10:38am

Correct, it doesn't guarantee a win though.

Jun 26, 10:58am

Correct. Doesn’t make it not an anomaly

Jun 26, 3:17pm

BYU made the right decision to play in 2020

donnerstag

Jun 26, 9:49am

BYU was elite in 2020 largely because of circumstance.

CallSign

Jun 26, 9:58am

How do you explain the 2021 season then?

donnerstag

Jun 26, 10:03am

2021 success - Covid hangover and as non P4 you were typically a trap game. That

CallSign

Jun 26, 10:28am

So the 10 win Utah team wasn’t legit in 2021 because the other PAC teams

donnerstag

Jun 26, 10:40am

Ok now you are just embarrassing yourself. I hope you are a teenager…

Jun 26, 3:18pm

PAC 12 had Covid rust, just like mission rust.

coolblue

Jun 26, 10:30am

Not sure if that’s true, until last year the P12 just wasn’t good for a decade+

palangi

Jun 26, 12:09pm

That team would have done well against it’s original schedule

I'mBatman

Jun 26, 10:40am

Like I said, they were good teams, but not elite.

CallSign

Jun 26, 12:44pm

How many draft picks? How many still playing meaningful time?

Jun 26, 10:58am

Yep! How can a team lose to a top 25 team, on the road, travelling cross country

NYC and Japan

Jun 26, 1:13pm

Wow. The fact that this post bothered you that much is telling. Secondly I don’t

Jun 26, 3:16pm

Flame away... but I think 2020 team was better than 1984 team

Hill4Heisman

Jun 26, 11:12am

No one belittles the 2020 team so let’s not make that claim

palangi

Jun 26, 12:18pm

I've seen a lot of people belittle that year

MaxxPower

Jun 26, 12:29pm

I enjoyed 2020 immensely, but isn't MOV a flimsy statistic to hang your hat on?

Jun 26, 12:19pm

Not to mention large MOVs have diminishing returns from a statistical standpoint

ldssdl

Jun 26, 1:58pm

The reason people provide excuses for 2020 is obviously as a counter to people

here's to hoping

Jun 26, 12:56pm

Has Grimes been successful since 2020-2021? Another Covid beneficiary.

CallSign

Jun 26, 2:12pm

I don't know if he is a good OC, but he is an excellent Oline coach. Every time

here's to hoping

Jun 26, 4:26pm

If we coulda taken TCU off our schedule, I'm assuming at least one of Max's teams would be on that list.

SinkingQuffa

Jun 26, 1:50pm

And that MOV is with Kalani taking off the gas super early like he does

Jun 26, 3:15pm

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