All winning P4 programs outside an elite tier are cyclical

Jun 26, 2024
8:26:55am

donnerstag All-American

Meaning all teams go through ups and downs and almost no programs avoid losing seasons. Its the nature of having difficult schedules and not being able to have a experienced talent every year

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The continued belittling of the 2020 BYU team is just ridiculous

Indy Coug Loquacious Lummox

Jun 26, 7:58am

Careful, you’re going to agitate the Anti-Kalani mob

arizonacougarfan

Jun 26, 8:00am

Right now, I'm more concerned about the anti-2020 nonsense.

Indy Coug

Jun 26, 8:00am

Yes. TNT is very agitated now

TNT

Jun 26, 8:09am

Live look at TNT thinking of our coach.

Nakedbootleg

Jun 26, 8:16am

Is it as bad as being distracted by your kid, during a great pinball game?

Mabuhay Coug

Jun 26, 9:02am

He wonders what that table is

TNT

Jun 26, 9:04am

All four of them are going to be furious!

MaxxPower

Jun 26, 11:57am

Agreed. 2020 most underrated team ever at BYU. The schedule wasn’t that hard but

DanSmith

Jun 26, 8:05am

You don’t get to use 2021 records to show how good the teams were in 2020 because 2020 was weird.

shimmy

Jun 26, 8:13am

"Most Underrated" is a bold statement. Where do you think they would have been

Gorum the Old

Jun 26, 1:15pm

That was a solid team. Plenty of other reasons to express concern for Kalani than to drag that team. I do, however,

shimmy

Jun 26, 8:12am

And the MOV is what counters the SOS rebuttal

Indy Coug

Jun 26, 8:18am

Comparing 2020 to other seasons creates a whole bunch of issues anyway, but sure we killed most teams.

shimmy

Jun 26, 8:22am

Only 2 of 2,275 team-seasons by non-P5 teams since 1980 had an average MOV larger than 2020 BYU's

Indy Coug

Jun 26, 8:25am

Impressive. Hope we see more of that this year.

shimmy

Jun 26, 8:45am

Folks have to belittle 2020 in order for the “Kalani sucks” narrative to work.

myfriendryan

Jun 26, 8:14am

Actually you don’t have to do that. Even giving KS the 2020 yr his coaching

kotacoug

Jun 26, 8:38am

Nah. Considering the amount BYU spent on assistant coaches and the lack of

donnerstag

Jun 26, 9:15am

His bad seasons far outweigh the good ones. Any other p5 school would’ve gotten

maxpowers

Jun 26, 8:39am

Exactly

kotacoug

Jun 26, 8:39am

*p4

maxpowers

Jun 26, 8:39am

We have one season as a P4.

TheLoneCougar

Jun 26, 10:56am

The team was fine. The issues that year were coaching related.

Longseason

Jun 26, 8:18am

To be honest

Goatnapper'96

Jun 26, 8:20am

All winning P4 programs outside an elite tier are cyclical

donnerstag

Jun 26, 8:26am

Even elite tier is cyclical…just shorter losing cycles when legend coach retires

DwigtA2RM

Jun 26, 10:09am

Can you provide 3 coaches who have been at the top, fell off dramatically, and

palangi

Jun 26, 12:06pm

Off the top of my head, Patterson at tcu was pretty up and down.

viper

Jun 26, 2:51pm

Clemson coach and Kyle Whittington

donnerstag

Jun 26, 2:57pm

definitely not Clemson, but Patterson And KWhit are legit examples

palangi

Jun 26, 3:13pm

Matt Wells was a rollercoaster coach also

donnerstag

Jun 26, 3:20pm

He seems to be able to lock in for specific games but then seems uninterested by

Longseason

Jun 26, 8:30am

That team was good and was likely a 1 - 3 loss team (at most) with the original

Beggar

Jun 26, 10:40am

Well said. Lots of CBers are indeed "unbalanced by their dislike of

porl thompson

Jun 26, 8:37am

Few other program would still have KS as their HC based on his last 8 yrs

kotacoug

Jun 26, 8:40am

Few other schools also want a temple recommend, and HC restrictions, and etc

Iki_Balam

Jun 26, 9:02pm

I would put the 2020 and 2021 teams against any of the 2006-2009 teams

D.T. Survivor

Jun 26, 8:40am

Also, KS is not one to run up the score.

ImuaKahuku

Jun 26, 8:53am

Great post Indy! Would be my POTD had I not already given it...

1CougFan

Jun 26, 9:04am

Two things: 1) BYU fan projected and continues to try to project from 2020.

CallSign

Jun 26, 9:31am

Last sentence is a little telling. If you’re expecting 1984 again, you’re going to be disappointed regardless of who is

mvtoro

Jun 26, 9:37am

He's a Ute troll.

TheLoneCougar

Jun 26, 10:57am

Ohhhhh that checks out. Notes updated 🙏🏻

mvtoro

Jun 26, 11:03am

Speaking of anomies, the loss against coastal Carolina was one of those.

D.T. Survivor

Jun 26, 9:37am

Anyone, any place, any time…

CallSign

Jun 26, 9:44am

So we disregard anomalies? 👍🏻 Amazing season then.

mvtoro

Jun 26, 9:47am

We only disregard the anomies that work against his point

D.T. Survivor

Jun 26, 10:38am

Correct, it doesn't guarantee a win though.

TheLoneCougar

Jun 26, 10:58am

Correct. Doesn’t make it not an anomaly

ColonelMustard

Jun 26, 3:17pm

BYU made the right decision to play in 2020

donnerstag

Jun 26, 9:49am

BYU was elite in 2020 largely because of circumstance.

CallSign

Jun 26, 9:58am

How do you explain the 2021 season then?

donnerstag

Jun 26, 10:03am

2021 success - Covid hangover and as non P4 you were typically a trap game. That

CallSign

Jun 26, 10:28am

So the 10 win Utah team wasn’t legit in 2021 because the other PAC teams

donnerstag

Jun 26, 10:40am

Ok now you are just embarrassing yourself. I hope you are a teenager…

ColonelMustard

Jun 26, 3:18pm

PAC 12 had Covid rust, just like mission rust.

coolblue

Jun 26, 10:30am

Not sure if that’s true, until last year the P12 just wasn’t good for a decade+

palangi

Jun 26, 12:09pm

That team would have done well against it’s original schedule

I'mBatman

Jun 26, 10:40am

Like I said, they were good teams, but not elite.

CallSign

Jun 26, 12:44pm

How many draft picks? How many still playing meaningful time?

TheLoneCougar

Jun 26, 10:58am

Yep! How can a team lose to a top 25 team, on the road, travelling cross country

NYC and Japan

Jun 26, 1:13pm

Wow. The fact that this post bothered you that much is telling. Secondly I don’t

ColonelMustard

Jun 26, 3:16pm

Flame away... but I think 2020 team was better than 1984 team

Hill4Heisman

Jun 26, 11:12am

No one belittles the 2020 team so let’s not make that claim

palangi

Jun 26, 12:18pm

I've seen a lot of people belittle that year

MaxxPower

Jun 26, 12:29pm

I enjoyed 2020 immensely, but isn't MOV a flimsy statistic to hang your hat on?

Happy As Larry

Jun 26, 12:19pm

Not to mention large MOVs have diminishing returns from a statistical standpoint

ldssdl

Jun 26, 1:58pm

The reason people provide excuses for 2020 is obviously as a counter to people

here's to hoping

Jun 26, 12:56pm

Has Grimes been successful since 2020-2021? Another Covid beneficiary.

CallSign

Jun 26, 2:12pm

I don't know if he is a good OC, but he is an excellent Oline coach. Every time

here's to hoping

Jun 26, 4:26pm

If we coulda taken TCU off our schedule, I'm assuming at least one of Max's teams would be on that list.

SinkingQuffa

Jun 26, 1:50pm

And that MOV is with Kalani taking off the gas super early like he does

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