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shoganai
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I'm not a sports attorney, but I don't believe the bar to meet those
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Let's Talk Men's Soccer
loyalroyalcoug
11/19/23 1:27pm
What can we do to push for D1? I’m convinced and have boys who will hopefully
Cougsnstuffs
11/19/23 1:34pm
Show up!
loyalroyalcoug
11/19/23 1:56pm
There's really one thing in the way for men's soccer
teancum
11/20/23 7:12am
That part of title 9 stinks. It’s sad some men’s sports are forced to be club
ColonelMustard
11/19/23 1:40pm
We should drop tennis and swimming and replace w/mens soccer.
Thrill
11/20/23 12:58am
RE: We should drop tennis and swimming and replace w/mens soccer.
Iron Coug
11/20/23 11:56am
Would love to see it, but the economics just don't work at the end of the day.
shoganai
11/19/23 1:42pm
That would be some pretty fancy accounting to show baseball as revenue neutral.
Bluforever
11/19/23 1:47pm
It's probably not really neutral at a lot of schools, but it's not a money pit
shoganai
11/19/23 1:50pm
It’s a pit. Ticket sales don’t even cover coaches comp. Perhaps not as much
Bluforever
11/19/23 2:07pm
Across the NCAA, baseball is the fourth-highest revenue generating sport behind
shoganai
11/19/23 2:15pm
Women's lacrosse scholarships (12) would balance out the men's soccer scholarships (9.9) but what league could they
ManicBlue
11/19/23 2:05pm
I'd assume BYU's most convenient home would be the WCC. But, again, the real
shoganai
11/19/23 2:07pm
Not a significant increase in revenue? Pretty sure our TV revenue increase is set to be pretty significant.
ManicBlue
11/19/23 2:10pm
The Big 12 revenue increase has nothing to do with men's soccer. We're getting
shoganai
11/19/23 2:12pm
In that case, let's do away with all non-revenue producing sports.
ManicBlue
11/19/23 3:35pm
I think most schools want to sponsor a baseline of certain sports. But men's
shoganai
11/19/23 3:58pm
Should be IMO.
ManicBlue
11/19/23 11:27pm
RE: Women's lacrosse scholarships (12) would balance out the men's soccer
loyalroyalcoug
11/19/23 2:08pm
Pac 12? You didn't hear? Pac 12 is toast.
ManicBlue
11/19/23 2:10pm
RE: Pac 12? You didn't hear? Pac 12 is toast.
loyalroyalcoug
11/19/23 2:30pm
Great but ONE school does not make a conference for BYU to join.
ManicBlue
11/19/23 3:35pm
Equal scholarships is a myth. You can add men's soccer and not have to worry about adding a women's sport.
Brisket
11/19/23 3:12pm
I'm not a sports attorney, but I don't believe the bar to meet those
shoganai
11/19/23 4:01pm
As someone who has worked in 2 P4 athletic departments, I can say that they are.
Brisket
11/19/23 4:52pm
Lots of sports do partial men's scholarships, or offer fewer per team.
Benfica1
11/19/23 4:02pm
They do, but that has everything to do with cost considerations and nothing to do with title IX.
Brisket
11/19/23 4:53pm
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TheAirForceCoug
11/19/23 10:16pm
This would be an instant revenue sport for BYU
Hawk Talons
11/19/23 1:49pm
Near zero chance it would generate positive net revenue.
shoganai
11/19/23 1:51pm
Unless you cut a sport like Swimming.
Hawk Talons
11/19/23 1:54pm
Even as a stand-alone men's soccer isn't going to make positive revenue.
shoganai
11/19/23 1:57pm
There are 205 D1 men's soccer programs including 50 from FBS schools. I wouldn't describe that has being "few".
Brisket
11/19/23 3:26pm
I would definitely describe 50 programs out of 130+ schools as being few.
shoganai
11/19/23 3:57pm
Considering it is a sport that lags in popularity compared to others and already has a clear path to the professional
Brisket
11/19/23 4:55pm
RE: Near zero chance it would generate positive net revenue.
loyalroyalcoug
11/19/23 1:58pm
Yes, it would lose less money than some others do.
shoganai
11/19/23 1:59pm
And it would drive women's soccer even further into the red.
wilsdad
11/19/23 2:30pm
It would not require that another women's sport be added.
Brisket
11/19/23 3:13pm
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teancum
11/20/23 1:48pm
I had season tickets with my 3 boys. The product was/is great. One of my son's
Benfica1
11/19/23 1:52pm
I wish every sport people liked could be an official sport at BYU but that's
Schultz is back
11/19/23 2:09pm
My son is considering trying out if he gets accepted to byu. Hoping he tries. Not sure of the process
JamieTartt
11/19/23 2:33pm
RE: My son is considering trying out if he gets accepted to byu. Hoping he
loyalroyalcoug
11/19/23 2:40pm
Title IX is not a barrier. If it is proven that there is a demand for a sport, men or women, it can be done.
Brisket
11/19/23 3:10pm
Title IX is THE barrier. Such a disaster.
Mitty
11/19/23 5:39pm
How so? Please provide details and documentation.
Brisket
11/19/23 5:52pm
Don't have access to the minutes of the conversa
menssoccermissionary
11/19/23 6:04pm
Could very well be a conservative legal interpretation,
menssoccermissionary
11/19/23 6:37pm
Unfortunately Title IX is way more complicated than just equal number of
Iron Coug
11/20/23 11:55am
You talk about being in p4 sports, but give no T9 details. Say something if you
Benfica1
11/20/23 8:27am
This is a pretty easy thing to look up, but sure, I'll indulge you.
Brisket
11/20/23 11:52am
Reading the T9 text doesn't seem to jive w/your breakdown. I like your
Benfica1
11/20/23 12:18pm
Title IX text was purposely written to allow flexibility and to some extent is still interpreted as such.
Brisket
11/20/23 12:42pm
When you consider the Church's broader goals for BYU Athletics, I'm amazed that
blue13
11/19/23 4:16pm
A few things:
Iron Coug
11/19/23 4:56pm
Regarding revenue generation
menssoccermissionary
11/19/23 5:12pm
It's a disgusting travesty the men's team doesn't get more support from the AD.
Mitty
11/19/23 5:38pm
Ditch men’s tennis. And maybe swimming, too.
Iman23
11/19/23 6:52pm
If we add another men's sport I'd personally prefer lacrosse first
CrashMcLarson
11/19/23 8:29pm
What are the chances a BYU player gets recruited to go pro?
Dr MoBYU
11/19/23 8:39pm
I know a 17yo guy whose goal is pro. He is in developmental league now. Want him to go to BYU
Dr MoBYU
11/19/23 8:41pm
Men’s Lacrosse is in a similar spot. We’ve been dominant for years with no
TheAirForceCoug
11/19/23 10:16pm
RE: Men’s Lacrosse is in a similar spot. We’ve been dominant for
loyalroyalcoug
11/20/23 3:52pm
It’s crazy! Westminster is even D2 now…
TheAirForceCoug
11/21/23 3:10am
The saddest part about lacrosse is that the primary sponsor for the Utes program
Iron Coug
11/21/23 4:43pm
Just think of the possibilities for Men’s Soccer with our international appeal.
pittsburghcoug
11/20/23 11:14pm
REMINDER: BYU used to have a D1 soccer team. There was some issue w/the coach
Benfica1
11/21/23 8:53am
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