I'm joking of course. Of course they have evidence. There is a LOT of it out there.

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Oct 18, 2024
10:52:07am

CSoul Hardcore Democrat

I'm joking of course. Of course they have evidence. There is a LOT of it out there.

Especially in certain roles the outcomes (not output) of WFH employees are consistently below those who work in the office. Note that I don't say for all roles and averages mean something. And when I mean outcomes, it means # of sales, renewed clients, successful products launched, # of releases without bugs etc.

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CSoul

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Time

“If you don’t like it, then leave” what a great way to build morale and culture

arizonacougarfan

Oct 18, 10:30am

Hearing the same message at my work. Employers are cracking down

TADOW

Oct 18, 10:35am

He didn't say it like that and what else do you want him to say?

CSoul

Oct 18, 10:35am

Having been through these types of conversations, I am guessing they tried every single way to be nice about it

P-Boy Squad

Oct 18, 10:35am

People need to earn their pay. Only white collar brats complain about this

chismoso

Oct 18, 10:36am

You may need to read more about Amazon Morale and Culture (or.. lack of)

TheLost

Oct 18, 10:37am

Too many companies are getting burned by people abusing work from home.

byujacob

Oct 18, 10:38am

is there any evidence of this?

Deleted

Oct 18, 10:42am

We have had a lot at our company

P-Boy Squad

Oct 18, 10:47am

In my case, work from home answered less phone calls, sold less,

JAGA97

Oct 18, 10:48am

Here is my thing, is it abusing it if work is getting done on time?

Jay_L

Oct 18, 10:55am

It doesn't. But that wasn't my experience. And your assessment of your work

JAGA97

Oct 18, 11:02am

And what does, "I get all my work done" even mean?

CSoul

Oct 18, 11:03am

This idea that, "my work is being done on time" makes no sense. What white collar jobs do you have that are just

CSoul

Oct 18, 11:03am

I think there are jobs that fit a WFH or Hybrid work and some definitely don't.

Jay_L

Oct 18, 12:52pm

You are still building your own work. I've worked in almost every department in my company. You choose

CSoul

Oct 18, 12:55pm

I guess that is kind of true never thought of it that way.

Jay_L

Oct 18, 1:02pm

No, none of these companies have any evidence.

CSoul

Oct 18, 10:49am

I'm joking of course. Of course they have evidence. There is a LOT of it out there.

CSoul

Oct 18, 10:52am

Maybe amazon has that data, I just think there is self interest . seems IMO to be more a reason to cut without firing

Deleted

Oct 18, 10:52am

Wut? Of course it's self interest. To be a better company. That's all they SHOULD care about.

CSoul

Oct 18, 10:58am

And I would say even if that were their plan, they have every right to do it. And all their employees have the right to

P-Boy Squad

Oct 18, 11:04am

And so what if it is? Folks at least have a choice here rather than just

Ozymandias

Oct 18, 11:21am

As a WFH advocate, I’d be shocked if the data says there’s no difference

maxpowers

Oct 18, 10:49am

Actually, numbers are super high for WFH

Gustav

Oct 18, 10:51am

Couple articles citing study at Stanford and another from survey monkey

BYUfan92

Oct 18, 12:47pm

At least this is something. I am wary of most "a new study says X" articles

RoboKayne

Oct 18, 8:20pm

When you can't properly measure work, and I'd wager before

bald man

Oct 18, 10:49am

Most of my company is remote... our office is in Dallas...

Coug

Oct 18, 10:54am

They're trying to change their culture, hard to do. Lazy employees are the worst

Oct 18, 10:39am

At some point, this type of discussion always has to come down to that.

The Dark Knight

Oct 18, 10:39am

I'm 1000% behind him with his ultimatum.

TeeKaa

Oct 18, 10:40am

That's the great thing about liberty. Employers can have standard work practices that are not illegal, and if an

Ragnar Danneskjold

Oct 18, 10:42am

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JimmyZ

Oct 18, 10:42am

Meh, I have to show up for work every day if I want to get paid.

John Doe

Oct 18, 10:42am

I think that if you are someone who is awesome at working from home, there

BoiseBlue

Oct 18, 10:43am

So working in an office 5 days a week is now controversial?

notsofast

Oct 18, 10:46am

yes, it is completely antiquated for many jobs, probably most amazon jobs

Deleted

Oct 18, 10:48am

Years ago, the CIO came into a mtg to "build" morale

bald man

Oct 18, 10:47am

RE: “If you don’t like it, then leave” what a great way to

Jay_L

Oct 18, 10:50am

IMO if you WFH, you should have a quota.

maxpowers

Oct 18, 10:51am

Employees that are good WFH employees will also be ok with going to the office

BP4byu

Oct 18, 10:56am

People are beginning to think WFH is a right. It isn't

mudpupper

Oct 18, 10:59am

I laugh because my company makes you 'book/checkout/reserve' a desk each mandatory day in the office..

TheLost

Oct 18, 11:06am

They’re not doing it to build morale or culture. They’re doing it to cut headcount without having to pay severances

Mike Honcho

Oct 18, 11:07am

Yeah, it's amazing how often underlings agree with their high-ranking bosses on

RoboKayne

Oct 18, 8:16pm

Morale and culture is nice, but vehicle stress isn't.

BlueFever

Oct 18, 11:11am

RE: Morale and culture is nice, but vehicle stress isn't.

fredgarvin

Oct 18, 11:14am

They dont even give their employee Amazon Prime as a benefit. They dont care

MaximusMeridius

Oct 18, 11:11am

They are super stressful but they pay a ton. They pay about 20% above market for most positions.

CSoul

Oct 18, 11:17am

Depends on the job...not true for mine.

MaximusMeridius

Oct 18, 12:05pm

I said above market, meaning average. They absolutely pay above average. Giving examples of others

CSoul

Oct 18, 12:16pm

I work in finance...I have access to thousands of peoples compensation info

MaximusMeridius

Oct 18, 3:39pm

Plus Amazon will make you work 50+ hour weeks and tons of stress

arizonacougarfan

Oct 18, 3:49pm

I said above I would never work there because of that.

CSoul

Oct 18, 3:54pm

Amazon with full comp (RSUs, base salary, bonus) is well above Seattle averages for a controller. You say you work

CSoul

Oct 18, 3:53pm

Lol you sound like you've got it all figured out!

MaximusMeridius

Oct 18, 4:29pm

The exec is right. He may be hurting feelings but it is their company their policies. Now employees could unionize or do

BYU Grounds

Oct 18, 11:16am

RE: “If you don’t like it, then leave” what a great way to

Northwest Cougar

Oct 18, 11:28am

Or a way to weed out some people w/o firing them or to send a message that

BYUfan92

Oct 18, 12:51pm

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