Even as a stand-alone men's soccer isn't going to make positive revenue.

Nov 19, 2023
1:57:07pm

shoganai All-American

There's a reason so few FBS schools sponsor it, and even fewer fully fund it. The resources just aren't there.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see NCAA men's soccer at BYU one day. But realistically it's just not in the cards right now.

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Let's Talk Men's Soccer

loyalroyalcoug

11/19/23 1:27pm

What can we do to push for D1? I’m convinced and have boys who will hopefully

Cougsnstuffs

11/19/23 1:34pm

Show up!

loyalroyalcoug

11/19/23 1:56pm

There's really one thing in the way for men's soccer

teancum

11/20/23 7:12am

That part of title 9 stinks. It’s sad some men’s sports are forced to be club

ColonelMustard

11/19/23 1:40pm

We should drop tennis and swimming and replace w/mens soccer.

Thrill

11/20/23 12:58am

RE: We should drop tennis and swimming and replace w/mens soccer.

Iron Coug

11/20/23 11:56am

Would love to see it, but the economics just don't work at the end of the day.

shoganai

11/19/23 1:42pm

That would be some pretty fancy accounting to show baseball as revenue neutral.

Bluforever

11/19/23 1:47pm

It's probably not really neutral at a lot of schools, but it's not a money pit

shoganai

11/19/23 1:50pm

It’s a pit. Ticket sales don’t even cover coaches comp. Perhaps not as much

Bluforever

11/19/23 2:07pm

Across the NCAA, baseball is the fourth-highest revenue generating sport behind

shoganai

11/19/23 2:15pm

Women's lacrosse scholarships (12) would balance out the men's soccer scholarships (9.9) but what league could they

ManicBlue

11/19/23 2:05pm

I'd assume BYU's most convenient home would be the WCC. But, again, the real

shoganai

11/19/23 2:07pm

Not a significant increase in revenue? Pretty sure our TV revenue increase is set to be pretty significant.

ManicBlue

11/19/23 2:10pm

The Big 12 revenue increase has nothing to do with men's soccer. We're getting

shoganai

11/19/23 2:12pm

In that case, let's do away with all non-revenue producing sports.

ManicBlue

11/19/23 3:35pm

I think most schools want to sponsor a baseline of certain sports. But men's

shoganai

11/19/23 3:58pm

Should be IMO.

ManicBlue

11/19/23 11:27pm

RE: Women's lacrosse scholarships (12) would balance out the men's soccer

loyalroyalcoug

11/19/23 2:08pm

Pac 12? You didn't hear? Pac 12 is toast.

ManicBlue

11/19/23 2:10pm

RE: Pac 12? You didn't hear? Pac 12 is toast.

loyalroyalcoug

11/19/23 2:30pm

Great but ONE school does not make a conference for BYU to join.

ManicBlue

11/19/23 3:35pm

Equal scholarships is a myth. You can add men's soccer and not have to worry about adding a women's sport.

Brisket

11/19/23 3:12pm

I'm not a sports attorney, but I don't believe the bar to meet those

shoganai

11/19/23 4:01pm

As someone who has worked in 2 P4 athletic departments, I can say that they are.

Brisket

11/19/23 4:52pm

Lots of sports do partial men's scholarships, or offer fewer per team.

Benfica1

11/19/23 4:02pm

They do, but that has everything to do with cost considerations and nothing to do with title IX.

Brisket

11/19/23 4:53pm

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TheAirForceCoug

11/19/23 10:16pm

This would be an instant revenue sport for BYU

Hawk Talons

11/19/23 1:49pm

Near zero chance it would generate positive net revenue.

shoganai

11/19/23 1:51pm

Unless you cut a sport like Swimming.

Hawk Talons

11/19/23 1:54pm

Even as a stand-alone men's soccer isn't going to make positive revenue.

shoganai

11/19/23 1:57pm

There are 205 D1 men's soccer programs including 50 from FBS schools. I wouldn't describe that has being "few".

Brisket

11/19/23 3:26pm

I would definitely describe 50 programs out of 130+ schools as being few.

shoganai

11/19/23 3:57pm

Considering it is a sport that lags in popularity compared to others and already has a clear path to the professional

Brisket

11/19/23 4:55pm

RE: Near zero chance it would generate positive net revenue.

loyalroyalcoug

11/19/23 1:58pm

Yes, it would lose less money than some others do.

shoganai

11/19/23 1:59pm

And it would drive women's soccer even further into the red.

wilsdad

11/19/23 2:30pm

It would not require that another women's sport be added.

Brisket

11/19/23 3:13pm

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teancum

11/20/23 1:48pm

I had season tickets with my 3 boys. The product was/is great. One of my son's

Benfica1

11/19/23 1:52pm

I wish every sport people liked could be an official sport at BYU but that's

Schultz is back

11/19/23 2:09pm

My son is considering trying out if he gets accepted to byu. Hoping he tries. Not sure of the process

JamieTartt

11/19/23 2:33pm

RE: My son is considering trying out if he gets accepted to byu. Hoping he

loyalroyalcoug

11/19/23 2:40pm

Title IX is not a barrier. If it is proven that there is a demand for a sport, men or women, it can be done.

Brisket

11/19/23 3:10pm

Title IX is THE barrier. Such a disaster.

Mitty

11/19/23 5:39pm

How so? Please provide details and documentation.

Brisket

11/19/23 5:52pm

Don't have access to the minutes of the conversa

menssoccermissionary

11/19/23 6:04pm

Could very well be a conservative legal interpretation,

menssoccermissionary

11/19/23 6:37pm

Unfortunately Title IX is way more complicated than just equal number of

Iron Coug

11/20/23 11:55am

You talk about being in p4 sports, but give no T9 details. Say something if you

Benfica1

11/20/23 8:27am

This is a pretty easy thing to look up, but sure, I'll indulge you.

Brisket

11/20/23 11:52am

Reading the T9 text doesn't seem to jive w/your breakdown. I like your

Benfica1

11/20/23 12:18pm

Title IX text was purposely written to allow flexibility and to some extent is still interpreted as such.

Brisket

11/20/23 12:42pm

When you consider the Church's broader goals for BYU Athletics, I'm amazed that

blue13

11/19/23 4:16pm

A few things:

Iron Coug

11/19/23 4:56pm

Regarding revenue generation

menssoccermissionary

11/19/23 5:12pm

It's a disgusting travesty the men's team doesn't get more support from the AD.

Mitty

11/19/23 5:38pm

Ditch men’s tennis. And maybe swimming, too.

Iman23

11/19/23 6:52pm

If we add another men's sport I'd personally prefer lacrosse first

CrashMcLarson

11/19/23 8:29pm

What are the chances a BYU player gets recruited to go pro?

Dr MoBYU

11/19/23 8:39pm

I know a 17yo guy whose goal is pro. He is in developmental league now. Want him to go to BYU

Dr MoBYU

11/19/23 8:41pm

Men’s Lacrosse is in a similar spot. We’ve been dominant for years with no

TheAirForceCoug

11/19/23 10:16pm

RE: Men’s Lacrosse is in a similar spot. We’ve been dominant for

loyalroyalcoug

11/20/23 3:52pm

It’s crazy! Westminster is even D2 now…

TheAirForceCoug

11/21/23 3:10am

The saddest part about lacrosse is that the primary sponsor for the Utes program

Iron Coug

11/21/23 4:43pm

Just think of the possibilities for Men’s Soccer with our international appeal.

pittsburghcoug

11/20/23 11:14pm

REMINDER: BYU used to have a D1 soccer team. There was some issue w/the coach

Benfica1

11/21/23 8:53am

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