Precisely. The narrative to denigrate expertise and to place lay persons on par

Oct 4, 2024
12:42:59pm

Archaea Intervention Needed

with significant researchers is foolish and should stop.

Experts don't get it right always but they are far closer than lay persons who use heuristics to make conclusions.

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A masters level student just emailed me

DataMouth

Oct 4, 12:25pm

"She attached a $50 to it."

RobAdams

Oct 4, 12:27pm

My colleague gives lower grades than me. I thought I’d use her grades this time.

Florwood

Oct 4, 12:27pm

Message:

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:27pm

how much of a grade difference are we talking? Did the same person grade each?

SalmonOfCapistrano

Oct 4, 12:27pm

RE: A masters level student just emailed me

TheHop

Oct 4, 12:28pm

"Papers are kinda like Dad jokes - only really good the first time you use it."

Eddie

Oct 4, 12:30pm

Worth an F all times after that. Thanks for letting me know.

Soupie

Oct 4, 12:44pm

Or - "I wanted to be more creative than just give the same boring grade again."

Eddie

Oct 4, 12:48pm

"I figured one of us should have an original thought"

notaboy

Oct 4, 12:57pm

These are the people who graduate with a masters degree in whatever it is and are considered “experts” by others

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 12:32pm

Usually, people don't rely upon lowly Masters people as experts. You must

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:35pm

But there have been a lot of similar findings in "expert" publications recently.

SalmonOfCapistrano

Oct 4, 12:40pm

Similar findings of what? Your argument is unclear.

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:43pm

plagiarism.

SalmonOfCapistrano

Oct 4, 12:45pm

Huh. Have people noted plagiarism in a minority of expert publications? Yes.

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:47pm

Archaea, I bet you have a PhD, are an academic and lean liberal…am I close?

7FootRussian

Oct 5, 9:07pm

Tough to be considered an expert if you haven't done any meaningful research.

Eddie

Oct 4, 12:41pm

Precisely. The narrative to denigrate expertise and to place lay persons on par

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:42pm

I’m not saying that normies should be held up to the same level. But I do 100% now start from a place of skepticism

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 1:44pm

I listen to what the expert says

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:49pm

I think we’re on the same page then. I would add the application of common sense to the evaluation, though

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 3:37pm

the difference is nuance; I don't automatically assume they are wrong but

Archaea

Oct 4, 5:40pm

I think everyone would be better served if they started from a place of skepticism when presented with information until

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 5:44pm

Trust but verify.

Archaea

Oct 4, 6:03pm

My bad, I agree for most fields more than a masters is required. My comment is based off of

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 1:14pm

Research and experience is required to be an

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:24pm

We’re told that people are experts by those who we trust to vet them all the time.

Mike Honcho

Oct 4, 1:42pm

Who is "we" and what was the purpose of the meeing?

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:57pm

You gotta improve your plagiarism numbers to be an "expert".

greatbam

Oct 5, 3:04pm

I’d be careful with a funny response because

stoils

Oct 4, 12:33pm

Yes. Subtly ask for clarification in ways that won't draw suspicion

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 12:37pm

Why provide an out? Let them sink or swim on his or her own account.

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:39pm

It's just gathering information. There's still a small chance they didn't do

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 12:43pm

Report as is. Let the investigators determine

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:44pm

Fair enough. If it was me, I'd want to dig a little more to confirm it is what I

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 12:47pm

"Can you provide me evidence of your friend's submission? I'll look into it"

ryebrye

Oct 4, 12:44pm

Like this, but avoid words like "evidence"

Still Blue

Oct 4, 1:24pm

Ask: Did she share the paper with you or did you steal it?

BlueKarma

Oct 4, 12:35pm

I thought people with masters degrees were smart. Changing my thoughts now

chismoso

Oct 4, 12:36pm

Degrees only mean people stayed in school longer. Doesn't indicate intelligence

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 12:49pm

That narrative isn't useful. Diligence, putting one's time in, and doing

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:58pm

It is useful, it's a reminder to experts that they're just like everyone else.

Mostlyaccurate

Oct 4, 1:07pm

Not true.

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:26pm

We'll, thisis a master's student. Doesn't have a degree and whether they end up

fattycoug

Oct 4, 3:13pm

Invite her to make a 30 minute presentation to the class, and let the

BlueFever

Oct 4, 12:38pm

"The good news is, I'll change your score. The bad news is, it's now a 0."

durandal

Oct 4, 12:39pm

Give her + 20% for comparative reasoning and -50% for cheating.

valleus

Oct 4, 12:40pm

Deflation

Shawarma

Oct 4, 12:41pm

Congrats on qualifying to be the next Ivy League University President!

RJCOD

Oct 4, 12:42pm

Just don’t respond at all.

The Old Y

Oct 4, 12:46pm

Cheating aside, are they right? You graded the same paper with a different grade? Was it the same assignment?

TCuz

Oct 4, 12:48pm

Please post the entire message. The paraphrase leaves way too much uncertainty.

Scratch

Oct 4, 12:52pm

If you borrowed large portions without attribution, it's plagiarism

Archaea

Oct 4, 12:55pm

Yep, no doubt about it, but there are lots of missing relevant details.

Scratch

Oct 4, 1:06pm

Ask for the name of the other student so you can "research it" and that you

CMM Cougar

Oct 4, 12:56pm

+50% grade for understanding how the real business world works

Cougarclaw

Oct 4, 12:56pm

Did you know that she plagiarized the paper ahead of time?

Zoobieman

Oct 4, 12:59pm

Plagiarism is no laughing matter, especially at the Madter’s level.

Everyman

Oct 4, 1:01pm

In some instances, it can get the student expelled from the program. That's what

Archaea

Oct 4, 1:05pm

When Chuck got caught cheating on a test at Stanford, he was kicked out too.

Eddie

Oct 4, 1:12pm

"I hope you didn't pay her too much"

thewaterboy

Oct 4, 1:02pm

Her grade was boosted for originality. And it sounds like your grade was higher than it should have been.

unctoothman

Oct 4, 1:45pm

Serious answer from another Prof. This one should be handled in person. Invite your

Soupie

Oct 5, 9:17am

My brother went to the top dental school in the country. Couldn’t believe how

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