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Jun 26, 2024
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kotacoug
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Actually you don’t have to do that. Even giving KS the 2020 yr his coaching
History is still really bad.
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The continued belittling of the 2020 BYU team is just ridiculous
Indy Coug
Loquacious Lummox
Jun 26, 7:58am
Careful, you’re going to agitate the Anti-Kalani mob
arizonacougarfan
Jun 26, 8:00am
Right now, I'm more concerned about the anti-2020 nonsense.
Indy Coug
Jun 26, 8:00am
Yes. TNT is very agitated now
TNT
Jun 26, 8:09am
Live look at TNT thinking of our coach.
Nakedbootleg
Jun 26, 8:16am
Is it as bad as being distracted by your kid, during a great pinball game?
Mabuhay Coug
Jun 26, 9:02am
He wonders what that table is
TNT
Jun 26, 9:04am
All four of them are going to be furious!
MaxxPower
Jun 26, 11:57am
Agreed. 2020 most underrated team ever at BYU. The schedule wasn’t that hard but
DanSmith
Jun 26, 8:05am
You don’t get to use 2021 records to show how good the teams were in 2020 because 2020 was weird.
shimmy
Jun 26, 8:13am
"Most Underrated" is a bold statement. Where do you think they would have been
Gorum the Old
Jun 26, 1:15pm
That was a solid team. Plenty of other reasons to express concern for Kalani than to drag that team. I do, however,
shimmy
Jun 26, 8:12am
And the MOV is what counters the SOS rebuttal
Indy Coug
Jun 26, 8:18am
Comparing 2020 to other seasons creates a whole bunch of issues anyway, but sure we killed most teams.
shimmy
Jun 26, 8:22am
Only 2 of 2,275 team-seasons by non-P5 teams since 1980 had an average MOV larger than 2020 BYU's
Indy Coug
Jun 26, 8:25am
Impressive. Hope we see more of that this year.
shimmy
Jun 26, 8:45am
Folks have to belittle 2020 in order for the “Kalani sucks” narrative to work.
myfriendryan
Jun 26, 8:14am
Actually you don’t have to do that. Even giving KS the 2020 yr his coaching
kotacoug
Jun 26, 8:38am
Nah. Considering the amount BYU spent on assistant coaches and the lack of
donnerstag
Jun 26, 9:15am
His bad seasons far outweigh the good ones. Any other p5 school would’ve gotten
maxpowers
Jun 26, 8:39am
Exactly
kotacoug
Jun 26, 8:39am
*p4
maxpowers
Jun 26, 8:39am
We have one season as a P4.
TheLoneCougar
Jun 26, 10:56am
The team was fine. The issues that year were coaching related.
Longseason
Jun 26, 8:18am
To be honest
Goatnapper'96
Jun 26, 8:20am
All winning P4 programs outside an elite tier are cyclical
donnerstag
Jun 26, 8:26am
Even elite tier is cyclical…just shorter losing cycles when legend coach retires
DwigtA2RM
Jun 26, 10:09am
Can you provide 3 coaches who have been at the top, fell off dramatically, and
palangi
Jun 26, 12:06pm
Off the top of my head, Patterson at tcu was pretty up and down.
viper
Jun 26, 2:51pm
Clemson coach and Kyle Whittington
donnerstag
Jun 26, 2:57pm
definitely not Clemson, but Patterson And KWhit are legit examples
palangi
Jun 26, 3:13pm
Matt Wells was a rollercoaster coach also
donnerstag
Jun 26, 3:20pm
He seems to be able to lock in for specific games but then seems uninterested by
Longseason
Jun 26, 8:30am
That team was good and was likely a 1 - 3 loss team (at most) with the original
Beggar
Jun 26, 10:40am
Well said. Lots of CBers are indeed "unbalanced by their dislike of
porl thompson
Jun 26, 8:37am
Few other program would still have KS as their HC based on his last 8 yrs
kotacoug
Jun 26, 8:40am
Few other schools also want a temple recommend, and HC restrictions, and etc
Iki_Balam
Jun 26, 9:02pm
I would put the 2020 and 2021 teams against any of the 2006-2009 teams
D.T. Survivor
Jun 26, 8:40am
Also, KS is not one to run up the score.
ImuaKahuku
Jun 26, 8:53am
Great post Indy! Would be my POTD had I not already given it...
1CougFan
Jun 26, 9:04am
Two things: 1) BYU fan projected and continues to try to project from 2020.
CallSign
Jun 26, 9:31am
Last sentence is a little telling. If you’re expecting 1984 again, you’re going to be disappointed regardless of who is
mvtoro
Jun 26, 9:37am
He's a Ute troll.
TheLoneCougar
Jun 26, 10:57am
Ohhhhh that checks out. Notes updated 🙏🏻
mvtoro
Jun 26, 11:03am
Speaking of anomies, the loss against coastal Carolina was one of those.
D.T. Survivor
Jun 26, 9:37am
Anyone, any place, any time…
CallSign
Jun 26, 9:44am
So we disregard anomalies? 👍🏻 Amazing season then.
mvtoro
Jun 26, 9:47am
We only disregard the anomies that work against his point
D.T. Survivor
Jun 26, 10:38am
Correct, it doesn't guarantee a win though.
TheLoneCougar
Jun 26, 10:58am
Correct. Doesn’t make it not an anomaly
ColonelMustard
Jun 26, 3:17pm
BYU made the right decision to play in 2020
donnerstag
Jun 26, 9:49am
BYU was elite in 2020 largely because of circumstance.
CallSign
Jun 26, 9:58am
How do you explain the 2021 season then?
donnerstag
Jun 26, 10:03am
2021 success - Covid hangover and as non P4 you were typically a trap game. That
CallSign
Jun 26, 10:28am
So the 10 win Utah team wasn’t legit in 2021 because the other PAC teams
donnerstag
Jun 26, 10:40am
Ok now you are just embarrassing yourself. I hope you are a teenager…
ColonelMustard
Jun 26, 3:18pm
PAC 12 had Covid rust, just like mission rust.
coolblue
Jun 26, 10:30am
Not sure if that’s true, until last year the P12 just wasn’t good for a decade+
palangi
Jun 26, 12:09pm
That team would have done well against it’s original schedule
I'mBatman
Jun 26, 10:40am
Like I said, they were good teams, but not elite.
CallSign
Jun 26, 12:44pm
How many draft picks? How many still playing meaningful time?
TheLoneCougar
Jun 26, 10:58am
Yep! How can a team lose to a top 25 team, on the road, travelling cross country
NYC and Japan
Jun 26, 1:13pm
Wow. The fact that this post bothered you that much is telling. Secondly I don’t
ColonelMustard
Jun 26, 3:16pm
Flame away... but I think 2020 team was better than 1984 team
Hill4Heisman
Jun 26, 11:12am
No one belittles the 2020 team so let’s not make that claim
palangi
Jun 26, 12:18pm
I've seen a lot of people belittle that year
MaxxPower
Jun 26, 12:29pm
I enjoyed 2020 immensely, but isn't MOV a flimsy statistic to hang your hat on?
Happy As Larry
Jun 26, 12:19pm
Not to mention large MOVs have diminishing returns from a statistical standpoint
ldssdl
Jun 26, 1:58pm
The reason people provide excuses for 2020 is obviously as a counter to people
here's to hoping
Jun 26, 12:56pm
Has Grimes been successful since 2020-2021? Another Covid beneficiary.
CallSign
Jun 26, 2:12pm
I don't know if he is a good OC, but he is an excellent Oline coach. Every time
here's to hoping
Jun 26, 4:26pm
If we coulda taken TCU off our schedule, I'm assuming at least one of Max's teams would be on that list.
SinkingQuffa
Jun 26, 1:50pm
And that MOV is with Kalani taking off the gas super early like he does
ColonelMustard
Jun 26, 3:15pm
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