That can't be done pre-kick because nobody can predict before the ball is kicked whether or not it will be returned.

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Jan 2, 2025
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Apparently there was more to the Bielema/Beamer beef lol. I guess earlier in the game SC did an alleged dirty play.

byuTX mutual friends

Jan 2, 11:27am

I'm on Team Bielema for this one. Beamer looks like a crybaby.

Conan

Jan 2, 11:28am

Bielema was still a Richard for his extremely over the top defensive subbing

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 2, 11:38am

BYU did that in a few games as well. It's less bothersome when our team does it lol

byuTX

Jan 2, 11:40am

It was an entirely new level and Bielema completely abused that reffing crew

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 2, 11:45am

Oh he definitely milked it. Maybe even more than Kyle or Sitake did

byuTX

Jan 2, 11:54am

I watched the game. There's no "maybe" about it.

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 2, 11:57am

byuTX

Jan 2, 11:58am

"Gesture-gate"? Everything's a gate. I've never heard of the arms out thing by a returner

txblue

Jan 2, 11:32am

It happens all the time. I bet you'll see it in the Sugar bowl

byuTX

Jan 2, 11:34am

You'll see it all the time now if you look. That's the gesture most return guys use when they are standing at the goal

SingleStrapBackpack

Jan 2, 11:36am

Right, during the kick. But isn't the reference that it was done pre-kick or am I misunderstanding?

txblue

Jan 2, 11:42am

That can't be done pre-kick because nobody can predict before the ball is kicked whether or not it will be returned.

SingleStrapBackpack

Jan 2, 11:50am

That's a signal to your own team, not the kicking team.

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 2, 11:46am

Maybe that's the primary purpose, but the people running downfield can see it, too, and that is what Bielema is talking

SingleStrapBackpack

Jan 2, 11:51am

He needs to coach his guys better cause it's not a signal to his guys.

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 2, 11:55am

It has come to mean that as sort of a gentleman's agreement through practice though

byuTX

Jan 2, 11:57am

Find it in the rule book. Bielema has a duty to coach his players, and his

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 2, 12:01pm

So are you then in favor of D-lines absolutely blowing up the OL when the QB is kneeling on the ball to run out the

SingleStrapBackpack

Jan 2, 12:12pm

He thinks that would be on the OL/offensive coaches for not coaching their players to play to the whistle

byuTX

Jan 2, 12:14pm

Uh, yes, especially when they are still trying to win as was the case late in

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 2, 12:15pm

I don't know. It's kind of like a QB rushing to the LOS, signaling he's going to

GideonsTrumpet

Jan 2, 12:37pm

It's not in the rulebook as noted in the OP and the "gentleman's agreement" reference. It has come to mean that through

byuTX

Jan 2, 12:13pm

A boxer throwing a sucker punch at the opening round glove touch is legal. But

ekiben

Jan 2, 12:17pm

The glove touch that's before the bell and the round actually starts? What?

Ghost of Peanut

Jan 2, 12:25pm

It's common after the bell the fighters go to the center and touch gloves in the

ekiben

Jan 2, 12:34pm

Just YouTube "fake glove touch" and you find numerous legal examples.

ekiben

Jan 2, 12:37pm

It's a signal to everyone and most of the return team blockers aren't looking back to the returner

byuTX

Jan 2, 11:55am

My favorite quote: "Bielema said he wasn't taunting Beamer-he was taunting the whole team."

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