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Nov 13, 2024
11:22:03am

davidsonlaw Starter

Just being part of a mob doesn't excuse criminal behavior.

Good people don't join the mob in the first place.

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davidsonlaw

Bio page: davidsonlaw
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Last login: Nov 14, 2024
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Regarding the 18 year old culprit of water bottle. When situations involving

MajorZeus

Nov 13, 6:47am

If he has no criminal past, he will get a plea in abeyance

BYULAWGUY

Nov 13, 6:52am

And that’s how it should be in my opinion.

davidmj10

Nov 13, 9:45am

Maybe he wasn't trying to hit someone, but he also had a wide open endzone right

OKchief

Nov 13, 10:46am

RE: Maybe he wasn't trying to hit someone, but he also had a wide open endzone

davidmj10

Nov 13, 11:17am

Easy for you to say...YOU are not the victim who was knocked unconscious and

sfeuz

Nov 13, 1:40pm

And as community service make him wear BYU gear for a year.

Bin01015

Nov 13, 10:16am

These are fair takes but I wonder how the victim feels. Her viewpoint …

Nov 13, 6:53am

Her viewpoint is the MOST important

Your Royal Blueness

Nov 13, 7:31am

Do you give every 18yo Ute fan license to assault BYU fans if you let this kid

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 10:13am

When assault charges occur, the jury is faced with the word "Could".

goseabass

Nov 13, 10:50am

Sure. Also, the poor woman was seriously injured. The extent of her suffering

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 6:55am

He is charged with an upgraded class A Misdemeanor

Fido

Nov 13, 12:26pm

Yeah. I’d hate to see no punishment for someone throwing a dangerous object

CasualFan

Nov 13, 6:57am

Idk, man. I'm aware of thousands of projectiles launched by fans onto CFB fields

RoboKayne

Nov 13, 9:00am

Tossing a plastic bottle onto the field is one thing. Throwing a metal bottle...

COACHdrn

Nov 13, 9:10am

Was it metal?

GangstaLean

Nov 13, 9:25am

Yeah, metal seems different to me for whatever reason. Also, probably how full

RoboKayne

Nov 13, 9:46am

If it was metal that could have been lethal. That there would change how I would look at the punishment phase.

Knight-who-says-ni

Nov 13, 9:59am

Was it metal? I thought it was plastic, but it still held water and that made it very dangerous. Came in like a missile.

CalGTR

Nov 13, 10:07am

If it was metal my opinion changes,but please provide a source rather than rumor

bythenumbers

Nov 13, 10:14am

Sounds like Conor Pay said it was metal on a podcast.

ChiCityCoug

Nov 13, 10:15am

Although in the reports I’m seeing now, it says disposable bottle.

ChiCityCoug

Nov 13, 10:19am

Looking for something more definitive. Pay might've got that from Cougarboard.

bythenumbers

Nov 13, 10:20am

Totally agree. It looked clear/plastic to me in the video. But it did come in

ChiCityCoug

Nov 13, 10:28am

That’s what it looked like. Also appeared to be open bc h2o spilled out before..

Frieda's Boss

Nov 13, 11:26am

Link to it being metal? That's crazy if true.

Bluedarts

Nov 13, 10:16am

It wasn't metal you can see in the video it is a disposable water bottle.

ochobeeguy

9:39am

He didn't throw onto the field. He yelled "F-BYU" and threw the bottle at BYU

Doogal McCougar

Nov 13, 1:40pm

This is assault. Throw the book at him. Time to stop shielding perpetrators from

astroman

Nov 13, 6:59am

I’m guessing you don’t have teenagers yet?

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 7:01am

I wish there was a middle line that didn’t destroy his future for acting stupid.

SBB

Nov 13, 7:04am

It's a misdemeanor, not a death sentence

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 10:28am

Okay good- I don’t know how this works. Reading CB and throw the bookco

SBB

Nov 13, 11:07am

Is it even assault? Idk the law on this. If he wasn't aiming for her, might it

RoboKayne

Nov 13, 7:07am

He had the requisite mens rea. When you decide to launch a projectile, you’re

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 7:16am

I'm pretty sure that reckless is sufficient mens rea for the assault.

Iron Coug

Nov 13, 9:26am

In Utah, a person commits an assault if he "commits an act, with unlawful force

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 9:29am

He's a kid

Belboz

Nov 13, 7:31am

18 years old is a kid?

DazeofBlue

Nov 13, 8:06am

Because it’s a number. From a brain development standpoint the frontal cortex

Nakedbootleg

Nov 13, 8:16am

Yes, from a legal standpoint, it makes him an adult.

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 9:30am

Angrily throwing a projectile towards people and causing serious injury is way

Doogal McCougar

Nov 13, 2:10pm

Yes

fattycoug

Nov 13, 8:24am

All 5 of my kids, 8-14, all know that was very dangerous and extremely wrong

viper

Nov 13, 9:12am

Of course they do. So does this 18 yr old.

Eddie

Nov 13, 9:24am

They would not make this bad of a choice no. Unless they really go down hill,

viper

Nov 13, 9:34am

I’m not saying they would make THIS choice.

Eddie

Nov 13, 9:53am

Yeah, he's an 18 year-old kid. He can learn a lesson without ruining his life.

Belboz

Nov 13, 9:36am

Yep and those kids are old enough to make life decisions on missions, school,

bornbyu93

Nov 13, 9:26am

He is, but there were many bottle throwers, and society benefits when the one

Abe Froman

Nov 13, 9:30am

Yeah but is there a difference between throwing it onto the field to make a

bornbyu93

Nov 13, 9:32am

He threw it into a crowd of women from BYU. If he had thrown it onto an empty

Abe Froman

Nov 13, 9:43am

I think that is what he is saying. I think you two agree

yahtzee

Nov 13, 11:19am

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Adwight

Nov 13, 7:39am

Or water bottle.

MightyFreakingCougar

Nov 13, 7:48am

Humans shouldn’t hurt each other over a football game. Quit treating 18 year

Your Royal Blueness

Nov 13, 9:37am

My only issue is what "throw the book at him" potentially means.

Belboz

Nov 13, 10:35am

Yeah very true. I’m good with him getting what you mentioned

Your Royal Blueness

Nov 13, 11:54am

Yes, it would be "getting off easy."

DeepCCoug

1:27am

I'd add two things: 1. He should be banned from Utah sporting events for life

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Nov 13, 7:05am

I think making the kid attend all Utah sporting events would be a more severe punishment.

Housemartin

Nov 13, 7:12am

And clean up garbage on the field or anything left on the west concourse.

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 7:19am

He still deserves his eighth amendment rights. I mean west concourse clean up

Nakedbootleg

Nov 13, 7:36am

RE: He still deserves his eighth amendment rights. I mean west concourse clean

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 10:08am

Only as long as he is wearing full BYU gear.

roadrash

Nov 13, 9:45am

Nah sentence him to clean up the west concourse after games

KYU

Nov 13, 7:39am

Their administration did send a message

Gustav

Nov 13, 8:23am

It’s seems there are few things Taylor Randall enjoys more than being silent

JosephAllenMaldonado

Nov 13, 10:45am

I don't think we know enough about the young man to know how he should be dealt with. Is he a good kid who did something

John Doe

Nov 13, 7:08am

I think we should be held responsible for our actions at any age.

Nov 13, 7:15am

We do that now. We have a different system for juveniles. But once they reach adulthood, how do you do that?

John Doe

Nov 13, 7:43am

Got it. I think I misunderstood your message.

Nov 13, 11:44am

This is a bad situation no matter the outcome. What I am most disappointed in is

Nov 13, 7:12am

If he posted what he did on social media then he deserves to be prosecuted to

CameronG

Nov 13, 12:28pm

Today's society "he is just a baby." 200 years ago he has real responsibility.

maYbe

Nov 13, 7:14am

200 years ago JS was taken to trial for criminal conduct

hadmonster

Nov 13, 1:05pm

This is the age old debate about justice & mercy

Nov 13, 7:19am

I wonder how this compares to the BYU fan attack on the Utah mascot

Nov 13, 7:19am

A BYU fan knocked out a pirate? Seems like that would have made the news.

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 7:21am

wasn't it a male cheerleader, not a mascot?

Blue Ridge

Nov 13, 7:57am

I was young once, I don't have a criminal record, never came close

Count Cougar

Nov 13, 7:26am

My dad was tangentially aware that my friends and I bent and lightly fractured

Emmett Fitz-Hume

Nov 13, 7:30am

This sort of thing makes me think of the story President Hinckley shared in conference about the woman who had a frozen

durandal

Nov 13, 7:36am

I'd be happy to see him get a criminal record and a year in jail.

DeepCCoug

Nov 13, 7:58am

I'll never understand this perspective.

durandal

Nov 13, 8:02am

He needs to pay a heavy price to be an example for everyone else.

DeepCCoug

1:13am

Yikes, that's harsh dude.

runnincoug

Nov 13, 8:42am

He deserves it. He intended to commit injury to someone from the other side.

DeepCCoug

1:16am

Unless the coach who got hit is a family member, this is unhinged

Nov 13, 9:21am

I was 18 once. I wasn't throwing dangerous items at people's heads.

COACHdrn

Nov 13, 7:48am

A good Judge will have all that figured out.

VenomFarmer

Nov 13, 7:49am

The U allows this behavior. They are to blame.

LateToTheGame

Nov 13, 7:49am

This is the right take. It’s more on them than it is on the kid.

JosephAllenMaldonado

Nov 13, 10:46am

He was not charged with disorderly conduct. He was charged with assault.

bocadillotortuga

Nov 13, 7:51am

pffft. My kids? I was worse. Glad I didn't ruin my life.

Acorn

Nov 13, 8:00am

I agree. I was young and dumb. I look at some of the stuff I did at that age and

bookofdaniel

Nov 13, 8:07am

We were all teenagers once…

PatriotCoug86

Nov 13, 8:09am

Banned for life, community service, record expunged after probation.

mccledg

Nov 13, 8:26am

I tend to be more sympathetic towards victims…

First-n-10

Nov 13, 8:18am

You can do both.

fattycoug

Nov 13, 8:25am

The banned student went on his mission and came back and attended BYU.

BYULAWGUY

Nov 13, 9:02am

His community service should involve cleaning toilets on BYU campus

Nov 13, 8:23am

Connor Pay said…

PatriotCoug86

Nov 13, 8:51am

If that is the case, then it should not be a Class A misdemeanor

BYULAWGUY

Nov 13, 9:03am

The cheerleader coach said plastic water bottle. I wouldn’t go with what Pay

Nov 13, 10:33am

From the video it looks like a full, plastic, water bottle. It bounces off her face and sprays water. If it were metal..

PJMort

Nov 13, 11:02am

Yeah, kids do kid stuff. When I turned 16, we drove around town and threw

Nov 13, 9:00am

Sure sounds like a lot of people are trying to turn the perpetrator into a

Jasbo

Nov 13, 9:28am

I don’t think that’s the case at all.

Eddie

Nov 13, 9:38am

The problem is nobody knows about previous history if it keeps getting swept

stoils

Nov 13, 10:24am

I agree - completely.

Eddie

Nov 13, 10:45am

Yep. DARVO. The leftists use that tactic all the time.

DeepCCoug

1:18am

Did he come forward? That would show remorse. If he got caught and

ChiCityCoug

Nov 13, 9:48am

I would feel worse for him if he faced no real consequences.

buckeyecougarguy

Nov 13, 9:53am

Our opinions are irrelevant, it's in the hands of the justice system now

RIGAMORTIS

Nov 13, 9:54am

The goal is to effect change. There's no change if he gets off easy. No change

Accipiter

Nov 13, 10:09am

I tend to be less sympathetic, why?

stoils

Nov 13, 10:17am

A couple of observations from a Utah licensed attorney (me)

davidsonlaw

Nov 13, 10:28am

People behave differenty in a mob than they do when they're alone

Belboz

Nov 13, 10:38am

This. I blame the kid, but I blame the toxic Rice Eccles culture more.

runnincoug

Nov 13, 10:56am

Just being part of a mob doesn't excuse criminal behavior.

davidsonlaw

Nov 13, 11:22am

It doesn't excuse the behavior, but it makes me hesitate in dismissing the kid

Belboz

Nov 13, 11:30am

He assaulted a woman. Why does this not compute?

MarylandFan

Nov 13, 12:59pm

Right, he did something stupid that led to a terrible consequence.

Belboz

Nov 13, 1:13pm

Exactly correct. You get more of what you tolerate.

DeepCCoug

1:20am

Calm down, a misdemeanor isn't going to ruin someone's life.

CougarWildcat

Nov 13, 10:38am

If he interviews with a BYU fan and has to explain this away, he will be the

RoboKayne

Nov 13, 10:57am

I don't want any of this. The kid and his family are scum and consequences exist for a reason.

AltTabbins

Nov 13, 11:26am

That sounds good if you remove the "the kid and his family are scum" part.

Belboz

Nov 13, 11:32am

Who goes to a football game as a family and allows this? .. His family should be embarrassed.

AltTabbins

Nov 13, 11:36am

I'd definitely be embarrassed if my 18 year-old son did that.

Belboz

Nov 13, 11:43am

100 bucks says his dad was screaming and probably cursing and adding to the mob

runnincoug

Nov 13, 12:13pm

Plus he waited days to turn his son in instead of immediately

CameronG

Nov 13, 12:49pm

Sorry, I haven't read all the responses, but I believe financial compensation

Roadrunner70

Nov 13, 11:54am

I'd love to see 4 paragraphs about the victim of the assailant's projectile

MarylandFan

Nov 13, 12:18pm

I haven’t seen any discussion about potential lawsuits from victim

Superman21

Nov 13, 12:57pm

Please, just stop with all the speculation. Let justice prevail. No shenanigans

sfeuz

Nov 13, 1:44pm

RE: Regarding the 18 year old culprit of water bottle. When situations

tonythetiger

Nov 13, 5:16pm

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