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DeepCCoug
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If he hasn't done it by now, he's not going to.
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Jake Hatch says players started showing up late to meetings mid season
Zak
Aug 23, 9:26am
Reading between the lines
canuckchuck
Aug 23, 9:29am
Kalani is man of honor and loyalty
WhiteFox
Aug 23, 11:26am
He doesn't throw his coaches under the bus? Ummm....Ty Detmer?
byubyu
Aug 23, 11:29am
Things don’t always turn out well
WhiteFox
Aug 23, 11:41am
Well your entire first paragraph is incorrect- if you want to look at how he
byubyu
Aug 23, 11:46am
They did Ty Dirty
azesq
Aug 23, 10:31pm
And Ty's been nothing but "honorable" & "gracious" towards BYU.
gopman
Aug 24, 8:44am
I was lucky enough to be around the program at that time... Ty was not 'Done Dirty'
TheLost
Aug 24, 10:56am
Firing a coach doesn’t mean throwing them under the bus
molodyets
Aug 23, 11:49am
As I posted above, he deserved to be let go. But how he publicly treated him
byubyu
Aug 23, 12:10pm
He absolutely threw Detmer under the bus. Many times during the season.
Frankfromtheballpark
Aug 23, 12:28pm
That was 10+ years ago. He doesn't do it now. He has improved. Let it go.
Socrates Johnson
Aug 23, 2:18pm
We don’t really know what his offense was. 2016 = decent. 2017 = terrible.
Frankfromtheballpark
Aug 23, 6:10pm
That's a good story based on a lot of assumptions, a little bit of "evidence,"
Socrates Johnson
Aug 25, 6:50am
Ty Detmer was "thrown under the bus"?
Plantagenet
Aug 23, 3:44pm
Don’t think any disputes Ty should have been let go. KS didn’t act
kansascougar
Aug 23, 10:19pm
They gave Detmer a job that wasn’t ready for…instead of grooming him slowly up
44C
Aug 23, 10:23pm
Pretty sure TD was only coming if it was the OC job.
TempeCoug
Aug 23, 10:40pm
"He takes the criticism on his shoulders" - I disagree. "We have to do better" after every single loss isn't taking
unctoothman
Aug 23, 12:58pm
<< Deleted >>
Division Bell
Aug 23, 1:40pm
That timing coincides w/last year's collapse. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 12:21pm
It’s a pattern. KS loses the team mid season with a long losing streak.
Frankfromtheballpark
Aug 23, 12:30pm
2017 fits in the pattern, too. 3 out of 8 seasons marked by implosion. That's
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 3:04pm
most high school programs worth anything don't stand for showing up late for meetings.
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:29am
And these guys are basically employees now.
JAGA97
Aug 23, 9:32am
I dunno that the program has the guts to bench a star player for being late right now. It's tough
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:34am
It's all about establishing the culture up front and knowing that certain
Huge Manatee
Aug 23, 9:40am
Didn't missions & mission Presidents teach us that? We all have stories....
gopman
Aug 23, 9:43am
right. I agree that is the way to do it. Bench them. "My team is on the floor."
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:43am
BYU is not a serious football program
CameronG
Aug 23, 9:47am
LaVell & Bronco understood this.
gopman
Aug 23, 9:50am
And why Bronco now coaches at a low level G5 school.. so he doesn't have to deal with 'serious football'
TheLost
Aug 23, 9:54am
Bronco doesn't like pressure, that's why he's at where he's at
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:00am
My understanding was UVA wanted to keep Bronco but let most of his staff go.
gopman
Aug 23, 10:01am
Yeah Bronco's loyalty to Nick Howell in particular is something
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:05am
Which amounts to pressure that he did not like
johnnybyu
Aug 23, 1:39pm
I'm not a big Bronco guy, but I disagree
UnhealthyAddiction
Aug 23, 10:27am
Todays college football is not the same as it was 5 years ago.
TheLost
Aug 23, 10:55am
100%. With NIL & portal Id much rather coach G5 and even that sounds exhausting.
Cougs4Lfe
Aug 23, 12:08pm
He doesn't mind pressure. But he will NOT be told what to do. That's why he left BYU and UVA. Tangentially related to
byuTX
Aug 23, 10:50am
Counterpoint: Holly.
shimmy
Aug 23, 12:48pm
Bronco definitely has flaws and I think it was probably his time to go, but he’s a far better head coach. Both of them
KYU
Aug 23, 11:26am
I know we had the wrong cleats on at home v. ISU, but is this TCU
Captain Stubing
Aug 23, 10:12am
Pretty sure it was Batty who after the game said players thought TCU's field was
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:16am
Was that game before or after the disaster Slip and slide game at home? Talk about not learning from mistakes
KYU
Aug 23, 12:34pm
TCU game was a month before the slipping and sliding at home vs ISU
CameronG
Aug 23, 12:53pm
It was Batty - he was wearing a mic during the pre-game warmup and made that comment.
acadian8
Aug 23, 8:39pm
This team will never be disciplined under current leadership.
J. Walter Weatherman
Aug 23, 10:21am
Posts like this, written right before the start of the season when hope and optimism should rule the day, are a key
KYU
Aug 23, 12:32pm
*KS doesn't run a serious football program. Can he change?
LateToTheGame
Aug 23, 12:42pm
Anybody can change if they want it enough and are humble enough to recognize
CameronG
Aug 23, 12:57pm
Yes and there is not a better place for a D1 head coach to do this than BYU, but
LateToTheGame
Aug 23, 6:55pm
If he hasn't done it by now, he's not going to.
DeepCCoug
Aug 24, 4:55pm
Amen!
Your Royal Blueness
Aug 23, 12:51pm
Let it go.
VenomFarmer
Aug 23, 2:43pm
Holy smokes, I just found there’s an Ignore feature in Cougarboard!
nitestal
Aug 23, 9:11pm
and then something happened in time for the Oklahoma game
Belboz
Aug 23, 9:32am
The two games we lost by being undisciplined?
Loafer
Aug 23, 12:15pm
you can label it how you want. BYU was close enough to win both of them.
Belboz
Aug 23, 12:30pm
I actually thought BYU played hard vs Texas, they were just a playoff team
CameronG
Aug 23, 1:02pm
They were much better against Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Belboz
Aug 23, 1:15pm
Kalani is not the answer. He's the problem.
byubyu
Aug 23, 9:32am
Jamaal Williams in 2016 mentioned how "lax" everything was
gopman
Aug 23, 9:35am
He just needs time to establish his culture. Just some more time.
BGRTHNUMEGO
Aug 23, 9:38am
And $. Don't forget money. If only we could have doubled Tuiaki's salary again,
byubyu
Aug 23, 9:40am
To be fair, it was only a few years ago, that he had all of Broncos players out of the program. He still needs time
KYU
Aug 23, 9:48am
And maybe he needs to go back and look at the film.
Blewis15
Aug 23, 11:06am
Kalani is a great guy. Just not the guy.
KYU
Aug 23, 9:38am
He doesn't have much leadership DNA, more of an assistant.
BigHouse Coug
Aug 23, 10:03am
Assistant to the head coach........ at the HS level.
TeeKaa
Aug 23, 3:52pm
I could see him being a great coach for his kids teams.
BigHouse Coug
Aug 23, 6:02pm
What a stupid comment. Are you 6?
ColonelMustard
Aug 24, 9:09am
RE: Kalani is a great guy. Just not the guy.
44C
Aug 23, 10:28pm
I have heard that transfer players are surprised at how lax the bye weeks are.
gaffer
Aug 23, 12:23pm
Would explain why BYU is not great out of bye weeks.
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 12:28pm
Our game with Utah is after our bye week too… Can’t wait for that embarrassment
Rigoletto
Aug 23, 5:26pm
Well we know the players went to Disneyland for a bye week last year
CameronG
Aug 23, 1:06pm
Who knew BYU even went to the TCU game??
InsertNameHere
Aug 24, 11:21am
Rex and kedon returned sunburnt from the beach trip
claw
Aug 23, 10:05pm
And it shows. We get an extra week to prepare, but it hasn’t looked that way.
Blue chunks
Aug 24, 11:29am
Hopefully this doesn’t surprise any of us.
Brisco
Aug 23, 1:18pm
It was much more lax in 2016 and 2017 than it is today
MaxxPower
Aug 23, 6:06pm
I remember them all saying how “chill” it was and seeing it was a red flag
Your Royal Blueness
Aug 23, 7:09pm
This exactly. Can we win with Kalani as a head coach? Yes we can but it won’t
cougsareforreal
Aug 23, 10:20am
Amen
LateToTheGame
Aug 23, 12:45pm
Jim McMahon would scoff at KS's "party dorm"
g$
Aug 23, 12:46pm
The horse is dead, no need to keep beating it over and over. All know...
Katewot
Aug 23, 2:12pm
Stuff like this makes me think life might be better without Cougarboard.
nitestal
Aug 23, 9:10pm
Bronco, sure is heck, ain't the answer either?It's jay hill and all the bronco l
CarolinaCoug
Aug 24, 7:19pm
Let me fix that for you...or at least try
here's to hoping
Aug 24, 7:58pm
Posts like yours are why we need the WORST POTD button
Iki_Balam
Aug 24, 8:58pm
This is Kalani's last season
Coug
Aug 23, 9:33am
I agree
KYU
Aug 23, 9:35am
In your dreams
OldFogey
Aug 23, 9:42am
I would assume that the KY hire is putting pressure on Kalani. BYU wouldn't
Duke Silver
Aug 23, 9:48am
I think he'd have to go 3-9 to get fired.
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:52am
Why 3 & not 4-5? Losing is losing. Bowl game or bust.
gopman
Aug 23, 9:56am
I'm not saying if he should be fired, but if BYU would actually pull the trigger. I initially thought 2 losing seasons
shimmy
Aug 23, 10:06am
You have to win the bowl game too. 6-6 becoming 6-7 sucks too.
TeeKaa
Aug 23, 3:55pm
I agree. Unfortunately the bar is so low with Kalani....
gopman
Aug 23, 4:20pm
I don't know about that. If some major donors band together and use their
Duke Silver
Aug 23, 9:57am
That might be the only hope to overcome the you gotta give him time to adjust to
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 12:30pm
I think he needs 5 wins to at least show he's not getting worse
Huge Manatee
Aug 23, 9:58am
I think all he needs is 4, that's going in the wrong direction.
BigHouse Coug
Aug 23, 10:05am
Some fans want this to be the case, but barring something catastrophic it's not
RockyBalboa
Aug 23, 9:56am
I’d be fine with that…
Frankfromtheballpark
Aug 23, 12:33pm
LOL - Kalani in demand!. Other coaches know his capabilities. He'd be at a JC
TeeKaa
Aug 23, 4:00pm
Of course, he is the good cop to Kyle’s bad cop.
claw
Aug 23, 10:07pm
They showed a lack of discipline on the field so it makes sense that they lacked
CameronG
Aug 23, 9:38am
I feel like it was pretty well known last season that members of the O Line
cougarbob137
Aug 23, 9:45am
RE: I feel like it was pretty well known last season that members of the O Line
TheLost
Aug 23, 9:52am
I can't believe that nobody saw this kind of thing coming with NIL...
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:07am
If this is true, it's more condemning of KS than having a losing season.
tony
Aug 23, 10:20am
IMHO.. its the players, and coaches have to deal with it.
TheLost
Aug 23, 10:58am
Sitting out of a game or two would definitely raise questions to the NFL teams
TeeKaa
Aug 23, 4:05pm
You have access and talk to position coaches on the BYU football team?
nitestal
Aug 25, 5:20am
And you want to know why NIL funds are not available to Kalani like they are to KY right now...
Coug
Aug 23, 9:47am
What!?! People with money expect results? I don't like that!
gopman
Aug 23, 9:52am
Just give me something to believe in
44C
Aug 24, 10:56am
We’ve been hearing about accountability issues since Kalani started. It’s almost
maxpowers
Aug 23, 9:50am
i have trouble imagining a guy that rallied such support for an extension 2 years in a row could be a bad organizer
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:55am
Covid & not having P4 $$$$ at the time will do that for an AD.
gopman
Aug 23, 9:57am
The conversation will have to be about Kalani being accountable
BigHouse Coug
Aug 23, 10:09am
Crazy how people in this thread gloss over all the problems under Bronco…
arcawley
Aug 23, 10:04am
Coaches can bench them. I've heard the Honor Code enforcement is more
gopman
Aug 23, 10:06am
Basically now they're told if they're going to break the HC to not be stupid and
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:10am
Benching NFL bound Olineman in the already terrible O-line?
canuckchuck
Aug 23, 10:40am
HC is more forgiving now.
coolblue
Aug 23, 11:09am
Hard to show up on time when players don’t get parking spots
GlutealGuy
Aug 23, 10:16am
Funny how for many on here Jake Hatch isn't reputable untilyou like what he says
slatecoug
Aug 23, 10:39am
Why is ManicBlue nowhere to be found in this thread?
TNT
Aug 23, 10:55am
I was just wondering the same thing!
here's to hoping
Aug 23, 11:59am
Things are rotten from the head down if stuff like that happens
Kolobrdm
Aug 23, 10:55am
And he's just sharing this now? What's his motivation, is it true, raises a few
basman
Aug 23, 11:03am
It's likely true - it wasn't Jake Hatch sharing that, he was simply repeating
ElkhunterUT
Aug 23, 11:22am
The problem is that even if it gets fixed you will never see it, so you will
SUAVO
Aug 23, 1:16pm
If the problem gets fixed, we'll see the improvement on the field
CameronG
Aug 23, 1:20pm
This 100% - the discipline issues manifest themselves all over the place and are
ElkhunterUT
Aug 23, 1:38pm
No, it won't. It may get fixed, but still have a bad season. Discipline isn't
SUAVO
Aug 23, 5:10pm
The discipline part will improve and been visible on the field, that is when
CameronG
Aug 26, 9:58am
If these problems persist it will manifest itself early this season. Bottom line, this should be a Make or Break season
runningryan
Aug 23, 11:50am
The problems are still there. I've heard plenty of credible recent stories...
J. Walter Weatherman
Aug 23, 6:25pm
That’s my fear too. The offseason was a disaster in the transfer portal
runningryan
Aug 26, 11:09am
I’m old enough to remember 2009, when the controversy after getting wrecked by
Junior Deputy
Aug 23, 12:04pm
Either way, it is a product of the coaching staff.
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 12:32pm
Common response to this is the coach is responsible for recruiting. What CB
CallSign
Aug 23, 2:39pm
If I was the head coach, and if my players were doing this, I would publicly
WaffleCheese
Aug 23, 12:42pm
But would it? And would you legally be able to share those records? I doubt it.
OldFogey
Aug 23, 1:20pm
Publicly announce, privately distribute. And/or give it to their agents.
WaffleCheese
Aug 23, 1:58pm
This falls on the head of any program. This has happened before in 2017 and
Your Royal Blueness
Aug 23, 12:47pm
it definitely showed around that time. Coaches were mailing it in as well
Longseason
Aug 23, 1:27pm
Isn't this just the Kingsley rumor resurfacing? Hatch references Connor Pay
Captain Stubing
Aug 23, 2:16pm
I sure hope that came up as a "question of concern" from the
gopman
Aug 23, 5:02pm
Lack of accountability. Lack of attention to detail.
Mjolnir
Aug 23, 5:15pm
Little lesson for working with youth whether a CFB team or primary class. It's much better to
Soupie
Aug 23, 7:23pm
Some of us have posted about the lack of discipline and accountability for a few
AZ Coug
Aug 23, 11:04pm
Jeff Grimes going to Baylor & not replacing him with a "like-tempered"
gopman
Aug 24, 8:46am
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