The two games we lost by being undisciplined?

Reading between the lines

canuckchuck

Aug 23, 9:29am

Kalani is man of honor and loyalty

WhiteFox

Aug 23, 11:26am

He doesn't throw his coaches under the bus? Ummm....Ty Detmer?

byubyu

Aug 23, 11:29am

Things don’t always turn out well

WhiteFox

Aug 23, 11:41am

Well your entire first paragraph is incorrect- if you want to look at how he

byubyu

Aug 23, 11:46am

They did Ty Dirty

azesq

Aug 23, 10:31pm

And Ty's been nothing but "honorable" & "gracious" towards BYU.

gopman

Aug 24, 8:44am

I was lucky enough to be around the program at that time... Ty was not 'Done Dirty'

TheLost

Aug 24, 10:56am

Firing a coach doesn’t mean throwing them under the bus

molodyets

Aug 23, 11:49am

As I posted above, he deserved to be let go. But how he publicly treated him

byubyu

Aug 23, 12:10pm

He absolutely threw Detmer under the bus. Many times during the season.

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 12:28pm

That was 10+ years ago. He doesn't do it now. He has improved. Let it go.

Socrates Johnson

Aug 23, 2:18pm

We don’t really know what his offense was. 2016 = decent. 2017 = terrible.

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 6:10pm

That's a good story based on a lot of assumptions, a little bit of "evidence,"

Socrates Johnson

Aug 25, 6:50am

Ty Detmer was "thrown under the bus"?

Plantagenet

Aug 23, 3:44pm

Don’t think any disputes Ty should have been let go. KS didn’t act

kansascougar

Aug 23, 10:19pm

They gave Detmer a job that wasn’t ready for…instead of grooming him slowly up

44C

Aug 23, 10:23pm

Pretty sure TD was only coming if it was the OC job.

TempeCoug

Aug 23, 10:40pm

"He takes the criticism on his shoulders" - I disagree. "We have to do better" after every single loss isn't taking

unctoothman

Aug 23, 12:58pm

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Division Bell

Aug 23, 1:40pm

That timing coincides w/last year's collapse. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 12:21pm

It’s a pattern. KS loses the team mid season with a long losing streak.

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 12:30pm

2017 fits in the pattern, too. 3 out of 8 seasons marked by implosion. That's

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 3:04pm

most high school programs worth anything don't stand for showing up late for meetings.

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:29am

And these guys are basically employees now.

JAGA97

Aug 23, 9:32am

I dunno that the program has the guts to bench a star player for being late right now. It's tough

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:34am

It's all about establishing the culture up front and knowing that certain

Huge Manatee

Aug 23, 9:40am

Didn't missions & mission Presidents teach us that? We all have stories....

gopman

Aug 23, 9:43am

right. I agree that is the way to do it. Bench them. "My team is on the floor."

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:43am

BYU is not a serious football program

CameronG

Aug 23, 9:47am

LaVell & Bronco understood this.

gopman

Aug 23, 9:50am

And why Bronco now coaches at a low level G5 school.. so he doesn't have to deal with 'serious football'

TheLost

Aug 23, 9:54am

Bronco doesn't like pressure, that's why he's at where he's at

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:00am

My understanding was UVA wanted to keep Bronco but let most of his staff go.

gopman

Aug 23, 10:01am

Yeah Bronco's loyalty to Nick Howell in particular is something

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:05am

Which amounts to pressure that he did not like

johnnybyu

Aug 23, 1:39pm

I'm not a big Bronco guy, but I disagree

UnhealthyAddiction

Aug 23, 10:27am

Todays college football is not the same as it was 5 years ago.

TheLost

Aug 23, 10:55am

100%. With NIL & portal Id much rather coach G5 and even that sounds exhausting.

Cougs4Lfe

Aug 23, 12:08pm

He doesn't mind pressure. But he will NOT be told what to do. That's why he left BYU and UVA. Tangentially related to

byuTX

Aug 23, 10:50am

Counterpoint: Holly.

shimmy

Aug 23, 12:48pm

Bronco definitely has flaws and I think it was probably his time to go, but he’s a far better head coach. Both of them

KYU

Aug 23, 11:26am

I know we had the wrong cleats on at home v. ISU, but is this TCU

Captain Stubing

Aug 23, 10:12am

Pretty sure it was Batty who after the game said players thought TCU's field was

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:16am

Was that game before or after the disaster Slip and slide game at home? Talk about not learning from mistakes

KYU

Aug 23, 12:34pm

TCU game was a month before the slipping and sliding at home vs ISU

CameronG

Aug 23, 12:53pm

It was Batty - he was wearing a mic during the pre-game warmup and made that comment.

acadian8

Aug 23, 8:39pm

This team will never be disciplined under current leadership.

J. Walter Weatherman

Aug 23, 10:21am

Posts like this, written right before the start of the season when hope and optimism should rule the day, are a key

KYU

Aug 23, 12:32pm

*KS doesn't run a serious football program. Can he change?

LateToTheGame

Aug 23, 12:42pm

Anybody can change if they want it enough and are humble enough to recognize

CameronG

Aug 23, 12:57pm

Yes and there is not a better place for a D1 head coach to do this than BYU, but

LateToTheGame

Aug 23, 6:55pm

If he hasn't done it by now, he's not going to.

DeepCCoug

Aug 24, 4:55pm

Amen!

Your Royal Blueness

Aug 23, 12:51pm

Let it go.

VenomFarmer

Aug 23, 2:43pm

Holy smokes, I just found there’s an Ignore feature in Cougarboard!

nitestal

Aug 23, 9:11pm