If KW retires after this yr BYU will have a Jay Hill conundrum on their hands

Jul 8, 2024
3:04:08pm

RockyBalboa All-American

I can say with a great degree of certainty that Morgan Scalleys first call for his DC will be Jay Hill.

So if BYU wants him around for the "long haul" they'll have decisions to make.

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If KW retires after this yr BYU will have a Jay Hill conundrum on their hands

RockyBalboa

Jul 8, 3:04pm

It’s painful to me to think about how much better I think JH would be than KS

DanSmith

Jul 8, 3:06pm

I tell you what, hold off the worrying until Hill actually has BYU as a top 50 defense

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 3:07pm

I am not sure that having a Top 50 defense translates to being a great HC

2FarGone

Jul 8, 3:12pm

Good point. Betting the house on a guy who was 109th in total defense last year is a sure thing.

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 3:15pm

For a stats guy, you seem really fixated on a single data point.

ldssdl

Jul 8, 4:14pm

I’m really not interested in a deep dive here or a Tuiaki vs Hill tangent.

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 6:21pm

Serious question, was it better than the year previous?

sah22

Jul 8, 6:24pm

That’s an entirely different topic because we’re talking about Hill and his longer-term future

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 6:38pm

I haven't looked at data, but if he took us from something abysmal to something

sah22

Jul 8, 6:40pm

Technically we were worse rated this year than 2022…

arcawley

Jul 8, 6:42pm

Not based on advanced metrics: 2023 defense much better D efficiency than 2022

legiaourbana

Jul 8, 8:13pm

That's comparing Hill to Tuiaki as a DC, not Hill to Sitake as HC

krindorr

Jul 8, 7:12pm

Ok, but the defense cannot be evaluated in a vacuum either. The offense that

ldssdl

Jul 8, 6:26pm

The defense can pawn off only so much on the offensive impotency

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 6:48pm

But some advanced metrics had the D as much better in 2023:

legiaourbana

Jul 8, 8:15pm

Here you are giving KS a pass. I just don't understand it.

coolblue

Jul 9, 6:55am

Well, the last time around we "bet the house" on the guy who led the 116th

russkiejedi

Jul 8, 7:34pm

Lol. Total defense.

byubyu

Jul 9, 7:18am

It also helps to have better talent to get in that Top 50.....no?

RockyBalboa

Jul 8, 3:18pm

I'm sure it does. In the absence of that, some coaches get blood from a turnip.

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 3:20pm

RE: It also helps to have better talent to get in that Top 50.....no?

nitroboy

Jul 8, 11:07pm

Realizing KS is a mediocre HC & better suited as a coordinator is just realistic

Forzaitalia

Jul 8, 3:52pm

You do realize that the HC is more of an administrator of the football team and the coordinators are the ones that

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 3:58pm

He is a mediocre CEO. The HC is responsible for bottom line results starting w/

Forzaitalia

Jul 8, 5:45pm

Do you realize that BYU has been an Independent school until last year? We were not going to be able to recruit

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 6:32pm

You do realize he had 2+ yrs to prepare? You do realize the good BYU HCs were

Forzaitalia

Jul 8, 8:06pm

You do realize football can't be compared to track and field,

Threw and Through

Jul 8, 10:20pm

You're ignoring the point. KS's budget, salary, staff & resources dwarf most of

Forzaitalia

Jul 9, 8:01am

What exactly were they supposed to do during the 2 years to prepare?

puntersarepeople

Jul 9, 11:58am

You ignore the other many points of marked underperformance, especailly the 3

Forzaitalia

Jul 9, 7:49am

RE: You do realize that the HC is more of an administrator of the football team

imdocrob

Jul 9, 9:12am

Is KS a good coordinator though? He hasn't proven himself away from KWhitt

ldssdl

Jul 8, 4:15pm

Fair point. He was a failure @ OrSt w/Andersen. But he was ostensibly hired b/c

Forzaitalia

Jul 8, 5:52pm

He’s proven effective as the “player’s coach” under a disciplinarian/tactician

cajuncoug

Jul 8, 8:28pm

Pull the trigger at the end of the season.

coolblue

Jul 9, 6:54am

Don't worry, if that happens, it won't be long until BYU hires him back as HC

Huge Manatee

Jul 8, 3:08pm

What would be his pitch to Jay Hill?

Corn Pop

Jul 8, 3:20pm

So, a lateral move under a new, young coach is a smart career move? smh

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 3:20pm

I've got to think Utah pays more then BYU.

paulb

Jul 8, 3:24pm

I would think BYU would see the opportunity costs of losing him and pony up

byusage

Jul 8, 3:25pm

Not everything is about money. Most on this board don't seem to understand that.

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 3:27pm

It's one factor, but I think we lose that one factor to all non G5s.

paulb

Jul 8, 3:28pm

Doubt it. We'll have full B12 money after this year and BYU is better positioned than most P4 schools in that

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 3:36pm

Also ticket revenues from the football stadium is going to be more than most in

cougsareforreal

Jul 9, 5:08am

When BYU and the Church decide to play the business game, they can be very good

Plantagenet

Jul 9, 9:13am

RE: I've got to think Utah pays more then BYU.

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 3:29pm

And

Knee Brace

Jul 8, 3:35pm

Good point. I seem to be stuck in the past. Hopefully a trend that continues.

paulb

Jul 8, 3:37pm

They did because they had more money to pay. With media money equalizing in the

Corn Pop

Jul 8, 3:41pm

That is your Ute side, being hopeful

travelcoug

Jul 8, 5:17pm

That’s not a smart move. Scalley will just get all the credit

puntersarepeople

Jul 8, 3:24pm

It's a risk I am willing to see out

NacoCoug

Jul 8, 3:55pm

What does Hill gain by going to Utah if the money is the same?

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jul 8, 4:20pm

You realize that

hereforlaughs

Jul 8, 6:35pm

If they think Hill is the next HC they will likely match it

puntersarepeople

Jul 8, 6:39pm

You guys are funny.

kC Cougar

Jul 8, 6:45pm

Obviously pay is different, but the gap between Utah and BYU will be small.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jul 8, 11:04pm

Jay Hill is already making seven figures as a defensive coordinator

JOPE

Jul 9, 8:39am

I honestly don't see the conundrum...is there realistically a reason that's a terrible thing?

krindorr

Jul 8, 7:08pm

Agree with your hypothetical outcomes, but I doubt the hypotheticals ever happen

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jul 8, 11:09pm

Could see him going, could see him not going... But agree it ultimately doesn't matter

krindorr

Jul 9, 1:13am

My greatest hope is that KS retires after this year.

Mitty

Jul 8, 7:34pm

RE: If KW retires after this yr BYU will have a Jay Hill conundrum on their

kerndog2

Jul 8, 8:01pm

BYU ponied up for him already. They’d do it again.

Dwide_Schrude

Jul 9, 1:27am

BYU is no longer in a position where it will ever be outbid by Utah for a candidate that it wants

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