but do all of your comments apply to pre-Pac 12 Utah? Utah took a noticeable leap in line play after they were in a p5 conference and the school was very committed to making sure the football program was competitive. Also note that Utah had no honor code and lower academic standards, so it's really apples and oranges on which players each school could go after.

SO while I agree that KW is a much better coach than Kalani, let's not pretend the programs are on equal footing. KW had significant advantages over Kalani. Even the beloved Bronco would get annually smashed by Utah.