What (fact)or makes someone the greatest? Is it stats? Ty Detmer

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Jun 23, 2023
3:50:23pm

gopman Playmaker

What (fact)or makes someone the greatest? Is it stats? Ty Detmer

has that over Jim McMahon. Is it wins? Max Hall has more than McMahon. Or is it making plays when it was needed the most? McMahon in the Miracle Bowl. Omarr's interception in the Cotton Bowl. Jenkins (and McKenzie) running all over Utah. Players making plays when desperately needed is the only fact or stat I care about.

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Start, bench, cut: Luke Staley, Harvey Unga, and Jamaal Williams

Ham

6/23/23 10:25am

RE: Start, bench, cut: Luke Staley, Harvey Unga, and Jamaal Williams

TheHop

6/23/23 10:27am

They're all super running backs. Add Curtis Brown. He broke so many tackles.

refunder

6/23/23 10:28am

He was so good about making the first man miss - carries or catches.

RootieBoy

6/23/23 10:30am

RE: Start, bench, cut: Luke Staley, Harvey Unga, and Jamaal Williams

Skeptical Optimist

6/23/23 10:28am

Well Staley would most likely get injured, so Jamaal would see a lot of PT.

LakeshowCougs

6/23/23 10:28am

RE: Start, bench, cut: Luke Staley, Harvey Unga, and Jamaal Williams

RootieBoy

6/23/23 10:29am

go watch the last 60 seconds of the 2007 Utah game and you might end up cutting

Garn

6/23/23 10:30am

If we are doing Jr years, you definitely are

Plato

6/23/23 10:31am

Here is mine: Start: Luke, Harvey and Jamaal. Bench: Ham, Cut TNT

Cougar TD

6/23/23 10:30am

I'd be so happy carrying the clipboard.

Ham

6/23/23 10:33am

Tyler Algeier may be the best of the bunch of them- Faster than Jamaal and Harvey, as powerful as any, and durable.

PJMort

6/23/23 10:30am

did you see Luke in person? There was nothing like his 5th gear. Not even

Garn

6/23/23 10:32am

Yes, saw him in person many times. I remember his run against Tulane when he split the two dbs like they were BYU dads.

PJMort

6/23/23 10:35am

For his size, I was surprised he didn't play stronger.

Belboz

6/23/23 10:45am

Uh, Jenkins had a gear Luke never had. Go ask Norm Chow his

gopman

6/23/23 1:20pm

Chow only coached Staley his freshman year.

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 1:29pm

That was more than enough for him. Chow talked about how

gopman

6/23/23 2:22pm

Ronney Jenkins & it ain't close folks. I understand the recency bias

gopman

6/23/23 12:56pm

I loved Jenkins, but if he were so complete he would have played RB in the NFL.

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 1:27pm

Explosive. Game changer who was a nightmare for

gopman

6/23/23 1:34pm

For someone to be as amazing as you say he should at least be okay in the NFL

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:13pm

You probably believe that Ben Criddle was a better CB than Omarr Morgan. I get

gopman

6/23/23 2:27pm

You addressed exactly 0 of my statistical arguments. Omarr Morgan and Tim McTyer

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:35pm

Not discounting stats but I'm all about players making plays.

gopman

6/23/23 3:57pm

Start: Jamaal, Bench: Harvey, Cut: Luke. Staley had one good year and

Dangerous

6/23/23 10:32am

Staley had more than one good year.

Belboz

6/23/23 10:42am

Not really. His sophomore year he averaged 3.7 yds/carry for 479

Dangerous

6/23/23 10:50am

I'm speaking of how he looked when he played rather than stats.

Belboz

6/23/23 10:54am

Freshman year is better than you might remember.

climps

6/23/23 12:05pm

Jenkins had a better freshman year & don't

gopman

6/23/23 1:02pm

Agreed - Jenkins freshman year was better. But he didn't come on the scene

climps

6/23/23 1:28pm

I wish LaVell was here. He'd tell you that Jenkins was "one of a kind".

gopman

6/23/23 1:38pm

Staley split time with Fahu Tahi. And could actually block which I don’t

Mot

6/23/23 8:18pm

Also why not mention Scott Phillips when speaking of the older running backs?

Mot

6/23/23 8:20pm

RE: Freshman year is better than you might remember.

temosabe

6/23/23 7:48pm

Luke was more dangerous, but against a stout D, Unga & Jamaal were

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 10:37am

None of those guys hold a candle to Jenkins. I wish LaVell was here to

gopman

6/23/23 1:11pm

Ha. Okay. Jenkins was 185 wet. His burst was excellent, but his top speed

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 1:24pm

Jenkins had a shot in the NFL. GREAT returner, not RB

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 1:33pm

I wouldn't call him a great NFL returner. He was good while he lasted.

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 1:48pm

Injury derailed it, but he was one of the return leaders for a few years. While

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:14pm

Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember him returning two in a single season.

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 2:37pm

He had 1 the year before and similar stats. Got hurt the next and stats were not

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:40pm

He ran a 10.6 100 Meters & was recorded to have run multiple 4.3 40.

gopman

6/23/23 1:36pm

ALL the 4.3 "reports" were laid to rest at the Combine. If Jenkins ran a 10.6

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 1:51pm

One report had him at 4.46 in the combine. In high school

gopman

6/23/23 2:15pm

I was in school w Ronnie, not Staley (I'm older than Ronnie by 5-6 years)

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 2:27pm

Yes there's a mythology as there is with all BYU greats. I especially

gopman

6/23/23 3:44pm

The thing w Ronnie is that he didn't have just 4.3 speed (which he didn't), but

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 3:59pm

The mythical report was actually 4.18. That was from Norm Chow

Belboz

6/23/23 3:47pm

This is truth. But he didn't have 4.3 speed either.

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 4:03pm

Nothing would have given the QB more confidence standing in the pocket with

Mot

6/23/23 8:23pm

We've had a stupid run of RBs since 2000.

Kajdin

6/23/23 10:37am

You should go back farther. I swear this board is full of Gen Z. Most

gopman

6/23/23 1:14pm

Start Jamaal, Bench Harvey, Cut Luke

Blueto

6/23/23 10:42am

SGC

Zoobieman

6/23/23 11:09am

I'd play all 3, I don't care if 1 of them lines up as a slot or QB.

Zoobieman

6/23/23 10:57am

WISHBONE BABY

TheHop

6/23/23 11:01am

3rd and long, start Luke. 3rd and short, start Unga.

StantonMac

6/23/23 11:30am

How good is our OLine? Harvey can probably thrive the most w/out a great OL.

goodcleanfun

6/23/23 11:48am

For me — Start Harvey, Bench Luke, Cut Jamaal

climps

6/23/23 12:06pm

Recency bias yet again.....

gopman

6/23/23 12:54pm

If I ever get in trouble, I want a lawyer who argues for me as fiercely

Ham

6/23/23 2:41pm

You want him to have more facts and not just intensity and feelings with a

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:42pm

What (fact)or makes someone the greatest? Is it stats? Ty Detmer

gopman

6/23/23 3:50pm

Hes not gonna love it when I drop a blog next week debating Unga and TA for GOAT

climps

6/23/23 3:17pm

Why no Jamaal in that conversation?

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 3:40pm

It's thin margins of course, but I have Jamaal lower cuz limited receiving skill

climps

6/23/23 4:06pm

He had some catches that made him look like a wide receiver. We may not have

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 6:21pm

I can handle that. Now if you go on Twitter to complain about

gopman

6/23/23 3:51pm

Why do you keep saying “recency bias”? While arguing for Jenkins? You know

Mot

6/23/23 9:39pm

Here you go

ALC

6/23/23 3:41pm

Eric Lane was way better than given credit for. 7 years in the league...

pspcres

6/23/23 4:43pm

I had no idea he was in the nfl

climps

6/23/23 6:26pm

Start Harvey, Bench Williams, SGC

cambo

6/23/23 6:48pm

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