Yes there's a mythology as there is with all BYU greats. I especially

Jun 23, 2023
3:44:35pm

gopman Playmaker

love the "mythology" around Jim McMahon extracurricular activities. According to Jim a lot of it was untrue. Some was true.

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Start, bench, cut: Luke Staley, Harvey Unga, and Jamaal Williams

Ham

6/23/23 10:25am

RE: Start, bench, cut: Luke Staley, Harvey Unga, and Jamaal Williams

TheHop

6/23/23 10:27am

They're all super running backs. Add Curtis Brown. He broke so many tackles.

refunder

6/23/23 10:28am

He was so good about making the first man miss - carries or catches.

RootieBoy

6/23/23 10:30am

RE: Start, bench, cut: Luke Staley, Harvey Unga, and Jamaal Williams

Skeptical Optimist

6/23/23 10:28am

Well Staley would most likely get injured, so Jamaal would see a lot of PT.

LakeshowCougs

6/23/23 10:28am

RE: Start, bench, cut: Luke Staley, Harvey Unga, and Jamaal Williams

RootieBoy

6/23/23 10:29am

go watch the last 60 seconds of the 2007 Utah game and you might end up cutting

Garn

6/23/23 10:30am

If we are doing Jr years, you definitely are

Plato

6/23/23 10:31am

Here is mine: Start: Luke, Harvey and Jamaal. Bench: Ham, Cut TNT

Cougar TD

6/23/23 10:30am

I'd be so happy carrying the clipboard.

Ham

6/23/23 10:33am

Tyler Algeier may be the best of the bunch of them- Faster than Jamaal and Harvey, as powerful as any, and durable.

PJMort

6/23/23 10:30am

did you see Luke in person? There was nothing like his 5th gear. Not even

Garn

6/23/23 10:32am

Yes, saw him in person many times. I remember his run against Tulane when he split the two dbs like they were BYU dads.

PJMort

6/23/23 10:35am

For his size, I was surprised he didn't play stronger.

Belboz

6/23/23 10:45am

Uh, Jenkins had a gear Luke never had. Go ask Norm Chow his

gopman

6/23/23 1:20pm

Chow only coached Staley his freshman year.

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 1:29pm

That was more than enough for him. Chow talked about how

gopman

6/23/23 2:22pm

Ronney Jenkins & it ain't close folks. I understand the recency bias

gopman

6/23/23 12:56pm

I loved Jenkins, but if he were so complete he would have played RB in the NFL.

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 1:27pm

Explosive. Game changer who was a nightmare for

gopman

6/23/23 1:34pm

For someone to be as amazing as you say he should at least be okay in the NFL

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:13pm

You probably believe that Ben Criddle was a better CB than Omarr Morgan. I get

gopman

6/23/23 2:27pm

You addressed exactly 0 of my statistical arguments. Omarr Morgan and Tim McTyer

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:35pm

Not discounting stats but I'm all about players making plays.

gopman

6/23/23 3:57pm

Start: Jamaal, Bench: Harvey, Cut: Luke. Staley had one good year and

Dangerous

6/23/23 10:32am

Staley had more than one good year.

Belboz

6/23/23 10:42am

Not really. His sophomore year he averaged 3.7 yds/carry for 479

Dangerous

6/23/23 10:50am

I'm speaking of how he looked when he played rather than stats.

Belboz

6/23/23 10:54am

Freshman year is better than you might remember.

climps

6/23/23 12:05pm

Jenkins had a better freshman year & don't

gopman

6/23/23 1:02pm

Agreed - Jenkins freshman year was better. But he didn't come on the scene

climps

6/23/23 1:28pm

I wish LaVell was here. He'd tell you that Jenkins was "one of a kind".

gopman

6/23/23 1:38pm

Staley split time with Fahu Tahi. And could actually block which I don’t

Mot

6/23/23 8:18pm

Also why not mention Scott Phillips when speaking of the older running backs?

Mot

6/23/23 8:20pm

RE: Freshman year is better than you might remember.

temosabe

6/23/23 7:48pm

Luke was more dangerous, but against a stout D, Unga & Jamaal were

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 10:37am

None of those guys hold a candle to Jenkins. I wish LaVell was here to

gopman

6/23/23 1:11pm

Ha. Okay. Jenkins was 185 wet. His burst was excellent, but his top speed

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 1:24pm

Jenkins had a shot in the NFL. GREAT returner, not RB

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 1:33pm

I wouldn't call him a great NFL returner. He was good while he lasted.

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 1:48pm

Injury derailed it, but he was one of the return leaders for a few years. While

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:14pm

Maybe I'm wrong, but I remember him returning two in a single season.

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 2:37pm

He had 1 the year before and similar stats. Got hurt the next and stats were not

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:40pm

He ran a 10.6 100 Meters & was recorded to have run multiple 4.3 40.

gopman

6/23/23 1:36pm

ALL the 4.3 "reports" were laid to rest at the Combine. If Jenkins ran a 10.6

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 1:51pm

One report had him at 4.46 in the combine. In high school

gopman

6/23/23 2:15pm

I was in school w Ronnie, not Staley (I'm older than Ronnie by 5-6 years)

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 2:27pm

Yes there's a mythology as there is with all BYU greats. I especially

gopman

6/23/23 3:44pm

The thing w Ronnie is that he didn't have just 4.3 speed (which he didn't), but

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 3:59pm

The mythical report was actually 4.18. That was from Norm Chow

Belboz

6/23/23 3:47pm

This is truth. But he didn't have 4.3 speed either.

SinkingQuffa

6/23/23 4:03pm

Nothing would have given the QB more confidence standing in the pocket with

Mot

6/23/23 8:23pm

We've had a stupid run of RBs since 2000.

Kajdin

6/23/23 10:37am

You should go back farther. I swear this board is full of Gen Z. Most

gopman

6/23/23 1:14pm

Start Jamaal, Bench Harvey, Cut Luke

Blueto

6/23/23 10:42am

SGC

Zoobieman

6/23/23 11:09am

I'd play all 3, I don't care if 1 of them lines up as a slot or QB.

Zoobieman

6/23/23 10:57am

WISHBONE BABY

TheHop

6/23/23 11:01am

3rd and long, start Luke. 3rd and short, start Unga.

StantonMac

6/23/23 11:30am

How good is our OLine? Harvey can probably thrive the most w/out a great OL.

goodcleanfun

6/23/23 11:48am

For me — Start Harvey, Bench Luke, Cut Jamaal

climps

6/23/23 12:06pm

Recency bias yet again.....

gopman

6/23/23 12:54pm

If I ever get in trouble, I want a lawyer who argues for me as fiercely

Ham

6/23/23 2:41pm

You want him to have more facts and not just intensity and feelings with a

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 2:42pm

What (fact)or makes someone the greatest? Is it stats? Ty Detmer

gopman

6/23/23 3:50pm

Hes not gonna love it when I drop a blog next week debating Unga and TA for GOAT

climps

6/23/23 3:17pm

Why no Jamaal in that conversation?

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 3:40pm

It's thin margins of course, but I have Jamaal lower cuz limited receiving skill

climps

6/23/23 4:06pm

He had some catches that made him look like a wide receiver. We may not have

SoBlueitHurts

6/23/23 6:21pm

I can handle that. Now if you go on Twitter to complain about

gopman

6/23/23 3:51pm

Why do you keep saying “recency bias”? While arguing for Jenkins? You know

Mot

6/23/23 9:39pm

Here you go

ALC

6/23/23 3:41pm

Eric Lane was way better than given credit for. 7 years in the league...

pspcres

6/23/23 4:43pm

I had no idea he was in the nfl

climps

6/23/23 6:26pm

Start Harvey, Bench Williams, SGC

cambo

6/23/23 6:48pm

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