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Aug 23, 2024
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Junior Deputy
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I’m old enough to remember 2009, when the controversy after getting wrecked by
TCU was that the players admitted to not watching enough game film.
It’s what fans do when we lose. Find reasons why the whole thing is systemically broken, instead of just that our players aren’t good enough.
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Jake Hatch says players started showing up late to meetings mid season
Zak
Aug 23, 9:26am
Reading between the lines
canuckchuck
Aug 23, 9:29am
Kalani is man of honor and loyalty
WhiteFox
Aug 23, 11:26am
He doesn't throw his coaches under the bus? Ummm....Ty Detmer?
byubyu
Aug 23, 11:29am
Things don’t always turn out well
WhiteFox
Aug 23, 11:41am
Well your entire first paragraph is incorrect- if you want to look at how he
byubyu
Aug 23, 11:46am
They did Ty Dirty
azesq
Aug 23, 10:31pm
And Ty's been nothing but "honorable" & "gracious" towards BYU.
gopman
Aug 24, 8:44am
I was lucky enough to be around the program at that time... Ty was not 'Done Dirty'
TheLost
Aug 24, 10:56am
Firing a coach doesn’t mean throwing them under the bus
molodyets
Aug 23, 11:49am
As I posted above, he deserved to be let go. But how he publicly treated him
byubyu
Aug 23, 12:10pm
He absolutely threw Detmer under the bus. Many times during the season.
Frankfromtheballpark
Aug 23, 12:28pm
That was 10+ years ago. He doesn't do it now. He has improved. Let it go.
Socrates Johnson
Aug 23, 2:18pm
We don’t really know what his offense was. 2016 = decent. 2017 = terrible.
Frankfromtheballpark
Aug 23, 6:10pm
That's a good story based on a lot of assumptions, a little bit of "evidence,"
Socrates Johnson
Aug 25, 6:50am
Ty Detmer was "thrown under the bus"?
Plantagenet
Aug 23, 3:44pm
Don’t think any disputes Ty should have been let go. KS didn’t act
kansascougar
Aug 23, 10:19pm
They gave Detmer a job that wasn’t ready for…instead of grooming him slowly up
44C
Aug 23, 10:23pm
Pretty sure TD was only coming if it was the OC job.
TempeCoug
Aug 23, 10:40pm
"He takes the criticism on his shoulders" - I disagree. "We have to do better" after every single loss isn't taking
unctoothman
Aug 23, 12:58pm
<< Deleted >>
Division Bell
Aug 23, 1:40pm
That timing coincides w/last year's collapse. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 12:21pm
It’s a pattern. KS loses the team mid season with a long losing streak.
Frankfromtheballpark
Aug 23, 12:30pm
2017 fits in the pattern, too. 3 out of 8 seasons marked by implosion. That's
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 3:04pm
most high school programs worth anything don't stand for showing up late for meetings.
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:29am
And these guys are basically employees now.
JAGA97
Aug 23, 9:32am
I dunno that the program has the guts to bench a star player for being late right now. It's tough
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:34am
It's all about establishing the culture up front and knowing that certain
Huge Manatee
Aug 23, 9:40am
Didn't missions & mission Presidents teach us that? We all have stories....
gopman
Aug 23, 9:43am
right. I agree that is the way to do it. Bench them. "My team is on the floor."
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:43am
BYU is not a serious football program
CameronG
Aug 23, 9:47am
LaVell & Bronco understood this.
gopman
Aug 23, 9:50am
And why Bronco now coaches at a low level G5 school.. so he doesn't have to deal with 'serious football'
TheLost
Aug 23, 9:54am
Bronco doesn't like pressure, that's why he's at where he's at
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:00am
My understanding was UVA wanted to keep Bronco but let most of his staff go.
gopman
Aug 23, 10:01am
Yeah Bronco's loyalty to Nick Howell in particular is something
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:05am
Which amounts to pressure that he did not like
johnnybyu
Aug 23, 1:39pm
I'm not a big Bronco guy, but I disagree
UnhealthyAddiction
Aug 23, 10:27am
Todays college football is not the same as it was 5 years ago.
TheLost
Aug 23, 10:55am
100%. With NIL & portal Id much rather coach G5 and even that sounds exhausting.
Cougs4Lfe
Aug 23, 12:08pm
He doesn't mind pressure. But he will NOT be told what to do. That's why he left BYU and UVA. Tangentially related to
byuTX
Aug 23, 10:50am
Counterpoint: Holly.
shimmy
Aug 23, 12:48pm
Bronco definitely has flaws and I think it was probably his time to go, but he’s a far better head coach. Both of them
KYU
Aug 23, 11:26am
I know we had the wrong cleats on at home v. ISU, but is this TCU
Captain Stubing
Aug 23, 10:12am
Pretty sure it was Batty who after the game said players thought TCU's field was
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:16am
Was that game before or after the disaster Slip and slide game at home? Talk about not learning from mistakes
KYU
Aug 23, 12:34pm
TCU game was a month before the slipping and sliding at home vs ISU
CameronG
Aug 23, 12:53pm
It was Batty - he was wearing a mic during the pre-game warmup and made that comment.
acadian8
Aug 23, 8:39pm
This team will never be disciplined under current leadership.
J. Walter Weatherman
Aug 23, 10:21am
Posts like this, written right before the start of the season when hope and optimism should rule the day, are a key
KYU
Aug 23, 12:32pm
*KS doesn't run a serious football program. Can he change?
LateToTheGame
Aug 23, 12:42pm
Anybody can change if they want it enough and are humble enough to recognize
CameronG
Aug 23, 12:57pm
Yes and there is not a better place for a D1 head coach to do this than BYU, but
LateToTheGame
Aug 23, 6:55pm
If he hasn't done it by now, he's not going to.
DeepCCoug
Aug 24, 4:55pm
Amen!
Your Royal Blueness
Aug 23, 12:51pm
Let it go.
VenomFarmer
Aug 23, 2:43pm
Holy smokes, I just found there’s an Ignore feature in Cougarboard!
nitestal
Aug 23, 9:11pm
and then something happened in time for the Oklahoma game
Belboz
Aug 23, 9:32am
The two games we lost by being undisciplined?
Loafer
Aug 23, 12:15pm
you can label it how you want. BYU was close enough to win both of them.
Belboz
Aug 23, 12:30pm
I actually thought BYU played hard vs Texas, they were just a playoff team
CameronG
Aug 23, 1:02pm
They were much better against Oklahoma and Oklahoma State
Belboz
Aug 23, 1:15pm
Kalani is not the answer. He's the problem.
byubyu
Aug 23, 9:32am
Jamaal Williams in 2016 mentioned how "lax" everything was
gopman
Aug 23, 9:35am
He just needs time to establish his culture. Just some more time.
BGRTHNUMEGO
Aug 23, 9:38am
And $. Don't forget money. If only we could have doubled Tuiaki's salary again,
byubyu
Aug 23, 9:40am
To be fair, it was only a few years ago, that he had all of Broncos players out of the program. He still needs time
KYU
Aug 23, 9:48am
And maybe he needs to go back and look at the film.
Blewis15
Aug 23, 11:06am
Kalani is a great guy. Just not the guy.
KYU
Aug 23, 9:38am
He doesn't have much leadership DNA, more of an assistant.
BigHouse Coug
Aug 23, 10:03am
Assistant to the head coach........ at the HS level.
TeeKaa
Aug 23, 3:52pm
I could see him being a great coach for his kids teams.
BigHouse Coug
Aug 23, 6:02pm
What a stupid comment. Are you 6?
ColonelMustard
Aug 24, 9:09am
RE: Kalani is a great guy. Just not the guy.
44C
Aug 23, 10:28pm
I have heard that transfer players are surprised at how lax the bye weeks are.
gaffer
Aug 23, 12:23pm
Would explain why BYU is not great out of bye weeks.
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 12:28pm
Our game with Utah is after our bye week too… Can’t wait for that embarrassment
Rigoletto
Aug 23, 5:26pm
Well we know the players went to Disneyland for a bye week last year
CameronG
Aug 23, 1:06pm
Who knew BYU even went to the TCU game??
InsertNameHere
Aug 24, 11:21am
Rex and kedon returned sunburnt from the beach trip
claw
Aug 23, 10:05pm
And it shows. We get an extra week to prepare, but it hasn’t looked that way.
Blue chunks
Aug 24, 11:29am
Hopefully this doesn’t surprise any of us.
Brisco
Aug 23, 1:18pm
It was much more lax in 2016 and 2017 than it is today
MaxxPower
Aug 23, 6:06pm
I remember them all saying how “chill” it was and seeing it was a red flag
Your Royal Blueness
Aug 23, 7:09pm
This exactly. Can we win with Kalani as a head coach? Yes we can but it won’t
cougsareforreal
Aug 23, 10:20am
Amen
LateToTheGame
Aug 23, 12:45pm
Jim McMahon would scoff at KS's "party dorm"
g$
Aug 23, 12:46pm
The horse is dead, no need to keep beating it over and over. All know...
Katewot
Aug 23, 2:12pm
Stuff like this makes me think life might be better without Cougarboard.
nitestal
Aug 23, 9:10pm
Bronco, sure is heck, ain't the answer either?It's jay hill and all the bronco l
CarolinaCoug
Aug 24, 7:19pm
Let me fix that for you...or at least try
here's to hoping
Aug 24, 7:58pm
Posts like yours are why we need the WORST POTD button
Iki_Balam
Aug 24, 8:58pm
This is Kalani's last season
Coug
Aug 23, 9:33am
I agree
KYU
Aug 23, 9:35am
In your dreams
OldFogey
Aug 23, 9:42am
I would assume that the KY hire is putting pressure on Kalani. BYU wouldn't
Duke Silver
Aug 23, 9:48am
I think he'd have to go 3-9 to get fired.
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:52am
Why 3 & not 4-5? Losing is losing. Bowl game or bust.
gopman
Aug 23, 9:56am
I'm not saying if he should be fired, but if BYU would actually pull the trigger. I initially thought 2 losing seasons
shimmy
Aug 23, 10:06am
You have to win the bowl game too. 6-6 becoming 6-7 sucks too.
TeeKaa
Aug 23, 3:55pm
I agree. Unfortunately the bar is so low with Kalani....
gopman
Aug 23, 4:20pm
I don't know about that. If some major donors band together and use their
Duke Silver
Aug 23, 9:57am
That might be the only hope to overcome the you gotta give him time to adjust to
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 12:30pm
I think he needs 5 wins to at least show he's not getting worse
Huge Manatee
Aug 23, 9:58am
I think all he needs is 4, that's going in the wrong direction.
BigHouse Coug
Aug 23, 10:05am
Some fans want this to be the case, but barring something catastrophic it's not
RockyBalboa
Aug 23, 9:56am
I’d be fine with that…
Frankfromtheballpark
Aug 23, 12:33pm
LOL - Kalani in demand!. Other coaches know his capabilities. He'd be at a JC
TeeKaa
Aug 23, 4:00pm
Of course, he is the good cop to Kyle’s bad cop.
claw
Aug 23, 10:07pm
They showed a lack of discipline on the field so it makes sense that they lacked
CameronG
Aug 23, 9:38am
I feel like it was pretty well known last season that members of the O Line
cougarbob137
Aug 23, 9:45am
RE: I feel like it was pretty well known last season that members of the O Line
TheLost
Aug 23, 9:52am
I can't believe that nobody saw this kind of thing coming with NIL...
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:07am
If this is true, it's more condemning of KS than having a losing season.
tony
Aug 23, 10:20am
IMHO.. its the players, and coaches have to deal with it.
TheLost
Aug 23, 10:58am
Sitting out of a game or two would definitely raise questions to the NFL teams
TeeKaa
Aug 23, 4:05pm
You have access and talk to position coaches on the BYU football team?
nitestal
Aug 25, 5:20am
And you want to know why NIL funds are not available to Kalani like they are to KY right now...
Coug
Aug 23, 9:47am
What!?! People with money expect results? I don't like that!
gopman
Aug 23, 9:52am
Just give me something to believe in
44C
Aug 24, 10:56am
We’ve been hearing about accountability issues since Kalani started. It’s almost
maxpowers
Aug 23, 9:50am
i have trouble imagining a guy that rallied such support for an extension 2 years in a row could be a bad organizer
shimmy
Aug 23, 9:55am
Covid & not having P4 $$$$ at the time will do that for an AD.
gopman
Aug 23, 9:57am
The conversation will have to be about Kalani being accountable
BigHouse Coug
Aug 23, 10:09am
Crazy how people in this thread gloss over all the problems under Bronco…
arcawley
Aug 23, 10:04am
Coaches can bench them. I've heard the Honor Code enforcement is more
gopman
Aug 23, 10:06am
Basically now they're told if they're going to break the HC to not be stupid and
CameronG
Aug 23, 10:10am
Benching NFL bound Olineman in the already terrible O-line?
canuckchuck
Aug 23, 10:40am
HC is more forgiving now.
coolblue
Aug 23, 11:09am
Hard to show up on time when players don’t get parking spots
GlutealGuy
Aug 23, 10:16am
Funny how for many on here Jake Hatch isn't reputable untilyou like what he says
slatecoug
Aug 23, 10:39am
Why is ManicBlue nowhere to be found in this thread?
TNT
Aug 23, 10:55am
I was just wondering the same thing!
here's to hoping
Aug 23, 11:59am
Things are rotten from the head down if stuff like that happens
Kolobrdm
Aug 23, 10:55am
And he's just sharing this now? What's his motivation, is it true, raises a few
basman
Aug 23, 11:03am
It's likely true - it wasn't Jake Hatch sharing that, he was simply repeating
ElkhunterUT
Aug 23, 11:22am
The problem is that even if it gets fixed you will never see it, so you will
SUAVO
Aug 23, 1:16pm
If the problem gets fixed, we'll see the improvement on the field
CameronG
Aug 23, 1:20pm
This 100% - the discipline issues manifest themselves all over the place and are
ElkhunterUT
Aug 23, 1:38pm
No, it won't. It may get fixed, but still have a bad season. Discipline isn't
SUAVO
Aug 23, 5:10pm
The discipline part will improve and been visible on the field, that is when
CameronG
Aug 26, 9:58am
If these problems persist it will manifest itself early this season. Bottom line, this should be a Make or Break season
runningryan
Aug 23, 11:50am
The problems are still there. I've heard plenty of credible recent stories...
J. Walter Weatherman
Aug 23, 6:25pm
That’s my fear too. The offseason was a disaster in the transfer portal
runningryan
Aug 26, 11:09am
I’m old enough to remember 2009, when the controversy after getting wrecked by
Junior Deputy
Aug 23, 12:04pm
Either way, it is a product of the coaching staff.
Forzaitalia
Aug 23, 12:32pm
Common response to this is the coach is responsible for recruiting. What CB
CallSign
Aug 23, 2:39pm
If I was the head coach, and if my players were doing this, I would publicly
WaffleCheese
Aug 23, 12:42pm
But would it? And would you legally be able to share those records? I doubt it.
OldFogey
Aug 23, 1:20pm
Publicly announce, privately distribute. And/or give it to their agents.
WaffleCheese
Aug 23, 1:58pm
This falls on the head of any program. This has happened before in 2017 and
Your Royal Blueness
Aug 23, 12:47pm
it definitely showed around that time. Coaches were mailing it in as well
Longseason
Aug 23, 1:27pm
Isn't this just the Kingsley rumor resurfacing? Hatch references Connor Pay
Captain Stubing
Aug 23, 2:16pm
I sure hope that came up as a "question of concern" from the
gopman
Aug 23, 5:02pm
Lack of accountability. Lack of attention to detail.
Mjolnir
Aug 23, 5:15pm
Little lesson for working with youth whether a CFB team or primary class. It's much better to
Soupie
Aug 23, 7:23pm
Some of us have posted about the lack of discipline and accountability for a few
AZ Coug
Aug 23, 11:04pm
Jeff Grimes going to Baylor & not replacing him with a "like-tempered"
gopman
Aug 24, 8:46am
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