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Jul 8, 2024
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russkiejedi
Intervention Needed
Well, the last time around we "bet the house" on the guy who led the 116th
ranked defense in the country and had zero head coaching experience, so it might mean progress!
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If KW retires after this yr BYU will have a Jay Hill conundrum on their hands
RockyBalboa
Jul 8, 3:04pm
It’s painful to me to think about how much better I think JH would be than KS
DanSmith
Jul 8, 3:06pm
I tell you what, hold off the worrying until Hill actually has BYU as a top 50 defense
Indy Coug
Jul 8, 3:07pm
I am not sure that having a Top 50 defense translates to being a great HC
2FarGone
Jul 8, 3:12pm
Good point. Betting the house on a guy who was 109th in total defense last year is a sure thing.
Indy Coug
Jul 8, 3:15pm
For a stats guy, you seem really fixated on a single data point.
ldssdl
Jul 8, 4:14pm
I’m really not interested in a deep dive here or a Tuiaki vs Hill tangent.
Indy Coug
Jul 8, 6:21pm
Serious question, was it better than the year previous?
sah22
Jul 8, 6:24pm
That’s an entirely different topic because we’re talking about Hill and his longer-term future
Indy Coug
Jul 8, 6:38pm
I haven't looked at data, but if he took us from something abysmal to something
sah22
Jul 8, 6:40pm
Technically we were worse rated this year than 2022…
arcawley
Jul 8, 6:42pm
Not based on advanced metrics: 2023 defense much better D efficiency than 2022
legiaourbana
Jul 8, 8:13pm
That's comparing Hill to Tuiaki as a DC, not Hill to Sitake as HC
krindorr
Jul 8, 7:12pm
Ok, but the defense cannot be evaluated in a vacuum either. The offense that
ldssdl
Jul 8, 6:26pm
The defense can pawn off only so much on the offensive impotency
Indy Coug
Jul 8, 6:48pm
But some advanced metrics had the D as much better in 2023:
legiaourbana
Jul 8, 8:15pm
Here you are giving KS a pass. I just don't understand it.
coolblue
Jul 9, 6:55am
Well, the last time around we "bet the house" on the guy who led the 116th
russkiejedi
Jul 8, 7:34pm
Lol. Total defense.
byubyu
Jul 9, 7:18am
It also helps to have better talent to get in that Top 50.....no?
RockyBalboa
Jul 8, 3:18pm
I'm sure it does. In the absence of that, some coaches get blood from a turnip.
Indy Coug
Jul 8, 3:20pm
RE: It also helps to have better talent to get in that Top 50.....no?
nitroboy
Jul 8, 11:07pm
Realizing KS is a mediocre HC & better suited as a coordinator is just realistic
Forzaitalia
Jul 8, 3:52pm
You do realize that the HC is more of an administrator of the football team and the coordinators are the ones that
ManicBlue
Jul 8, 3:58pm
He is a mediocre CEO. The HC is responsible for bottom line results starting w/
Forzaitalia
Jul 8, 5:45pm
Do you realize that BYU has been an Independent school until last year? We were not going to be able to recruit
ManicBlue
Jul 8, 6:32pm
You do realize he had 2+ yrs to prepare? You do realize the good BYU HCs were
Forzaitalia
Jul 8, 8:06pm
You do realize football can't be compared to track and field,
Threw and Through
Jul 8, 10:20pm
You're ignoring the point. KS's budget, salary, staff & resources dwarf most of
Forzaitalia
Jul 9, 8:01am
What exactly were they supposed to do during the 2 years to prepare?
puntersarepeople
Jul 9, 11:58am
You ignore the other many points of marked underperformance, especailly the 3
Forzaitalia
Jul 9, 7:49am
RE: You do realize that the HC is more of an administrator of the football team
imdocrob
Jul 9, 9:12am
Is KS a good coordinator though? He hasn't proven himself away from KWhitt
ldssdl
Jul 8, 4:15pm
Fair point. He was a failure @ OrSt w/Andersen. But he was ostensibly hired b/c
Forzaitalia
Jul 8, 5:52pm
He’s proven effective as the “player’s coach” under a disciplinarian/tactician
cajuncoug
Jul 8, 8:28pm
Pull the trigger at the end of the season.
coolblue
Jul 9, 6:54am
Don't worry, if that happens, it won't be long until BYU hires him back as HC
Huge Manatee
Jul 8, 3:08pm
What would be his pitch to Jay Hill?
Corn Pop
Jul 8, 3:20pm
So, a lateral move under a new, young coach is a smart career move? smh
ManicBlue
Jul 8, 3:20pm
I've got to think Utah pays more then BYU.
paulb
Jul 8, 3:24pm
I would think BYU would see the opportunity costs of losing him and pony up
byusage
Jul 8, 3:25pm
Not everything is about money. Most on this board don't seem to understand that.
ManicBlue
Jul 8, 3:27pm
It's one factor, but I think we lose that one factor to all non G5s.
paulb
Jul 8, 3:28pm
Doubt it. We'll have full B12 money after this year and BYU is better positioned than most P4 schools in that
ManicBlue
Jul 8, 3:36pm
Also ticket revenues from the football stadium is going to be more than most in
cougsareforreal
Jul 9, 5:08am
When BYU and the Church decide to play the business game, they can be very good
Plantagenet
Jul 9, 9:13am
RE: I've got to think Utah pays more then BYU.
Indy Coug
Jul 8, 3:29pm
And
Knee Brace
Jul 8, 3:35pm
Good point. I seem to be stuck in the past. Hopefully a trend that continues.
paulb
Jul 8, 3:37pm
They did because they had more money to pay. With media money equalizing in the
Corn Pop
Jul 8, 3:41pm
That is your Ute side, being hopeful
travelcoug
Jul 8, 5:17pm
That’s not a smart move. Scalley will just get all the credit
puntersarepeople
Jul 8, 3:24pm
It's a risk I am willing to see out
NacoCoug
Jul 8, 3:55pm
What does Hill gain by going to Utah if the money is the same?
Atmospheric_Cougar
Jul 8, 4:20pm
You realize that
hereforlaughs
Jul 8, 6:35pm
If they think Hill is the next HC they will likely match it
puntersarepeople
Jul 8, 6:39pm
You guys are funny.
kC Cougar
Jul 8, 6:45pm
Obviously pay is different, but the gap between Utah and BYU will be small.
Atmospheric_Cougar
Jul 8, 11:04pm
Jay Hill is already making seven figures as a defensive coordinator
JOPE
Jul 9, 8:39am
I honestly don't see the conundrum...is there realistically a reason that's a terrible thing?
krindorr
Jul 8, 7:08pm
Agree with your hypothetical outcomes, but I doubt the hypotheticals ever happen
Atmospheric_Cougar
Jul 8, 11:09pm
Could see him going, could see him not going... But agree it ultimately doesn't matter
krindorr
Jul 9, 1:13am
My greatest hope is that KS retires after this year.
Mitty
Jul 8, 7:34pm
RE: If KW retires after this yr BYU will have a Jay Hill conundrum on their
kerndog2
Jul 8, 8:01pm
BYU ponied up for him already. They’d do it again.
Dwide_Schrude
Jul 9, 1:27am
BYU is no longer in a position where it will ever be outbid by Utah for a candidate that it wants
JOPE
Jul 9, 8:36am
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