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Nov 13, 2024
8:18:33am

First-n-10 Contributor

I tend to be more sympathetic towards victims…

We’ve swung the pendulum to far holding people accountable, to the point they feel if they do dumb things it won’t matter. If the offender has no remorse, neither do I. BYU banned an 18 year old for life for attacking a cheer leader. Hope Utah does the same thing.

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Regarding the 18 year old culprit of water bottle. When situations involving

MajorZeus

Nov 13, 6:47am

If he has no criminal past, he will get a plea in abeyance

BYULAWGUY

Nov 13, 6:52am

And that’s how it should be in my opinion.

davidmj10

Nov 13, 9:45am

Maybe he wasn't trying to hit someone, but he also had a wide open endzone right

OKchief

Nov 13, 10:46am

RE: Maybe he wasn't trying to hit someone, but he also had a wide open endzone

davidmj10

Nov 13, 11:17am

Easy for you to say...YOU are not the victim who was knocked unconscious and

sfeuz

Nov 13, 1:40pm

And as community service make him wear BYU gear for a year.

Bin01015

Nov 13, 10:16am

These are fair takes but I wonder how the victim feels. Her viewpoint …

Nov 13, 6:53am

Her viewpoint is the MOST important

Your Royal Blueness

Nov 13, 7:31am

Do you give every 18yo Ute fan license to assault BYU fans if you let this kid

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 10:13am

When assault charges occur, the jury is faced with the word "Could".

goseabass

Nov 13, 10:50am

Sure. Also, the poor woman was seriously injured. The extent of her suffering

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 6:55am

He is charged with an upgraded class A Misdemeanor

Fido

Nov 13, 12:26pm

Yeah. I’d hate to see no punishment for someone throwing a dangerous object

CasualFan

Nov 13, 6:57am

Idk, man. I'm aware of thousands of projectiles launched by fans onto CFB fields

RoboKayne

Nov 13, 9:00am

Tossing a plastic bottle onto the field is one thing. Throwing a metal bottle...

COACHdrn

Nov 13, 9:10am

Was it metal?

GangstaLean

Nov 13, 9:25am

Yeah, metal seems different to me for whatever reason. Also, probably how full

RoboKayne

Nov 13, 9:46am

If it was metal that could have been lethal. That there would change how I would look at the punishment phase.

Knight-who-says-ni

Nov 13, 9:59am

Was it metal? I thought it was plastic, but it still held water and that made it very dangerous. Came in like a missile.

CalGTR

Nov 13, 10:07am

If it was metal my opinion changes,but please provide a source rather than rumor

bythenumbers

Nov 13, 10:14am

Sounds like Conor Pay said it was metal on a podcast.

ChiCityCoug

Nov 13, 10:15am

Although in the reports I’m seeing now, it says disposable bottle.

ChiCityCoug

Nov 13, 10:19am

Looking for something more definitive. Pay might've got that from Cougarboard.

bythenumbers

Nov 13, 10:20am

Totally agree. It looked clear/plastic to me in the video. But it did come in

ChiCityCoug

Nov 13, 10:28am

That’s what it looked like. Also appeared to be open bc h2o spilled out before..

Frieda's Boss

Nov 13, 11:26am

Link to it being metal? That's crazy if true.

Bluedarts

Nov 13, 10:16am

It wasn't metal you can see in the video it is a disposable water bottle.

ochobeeguy

9:39am

He didn't throw onto the field. He yelled "F-BYU" and threw the bottle at BYU

Doogal McCougar

Nov 13, 1:40pm

This is assault. Throw the book at him. Time to stop shielding perpetrators from

astroman

Nov 13, 6:59am

I’m guessing you don’t have teenagers yet?

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 7:01am

I wish there was a middle line that didn’t destroy his future for acting stupid.

SBB

Nov 13, 7:04am

It's a misdemeanor, not a death sentence

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 10:28am

Okay good- I don’t know how this works. Reading CB and throw the bookco

SBB

Nov 13, 11:07am

Is it even assault? Idk the law on this. If he wasn't aiming for her, might it

RoboKayne

Nov 13, 7:07am

He had the requisite mens rea. When you decide to launch a projectile, you’re

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 7:16am

I'm pretty sure that reckless is sufficient mens rea for the assault.

Iron Coug

Nov 13, 9:26am

In Utah, a person commits an assault if he "commits an act, with unlawful force

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 9:29am

He's a kid

Belboz

Nov 13, 7:31am

18 years old is a kid?

DazeofBlue

Nov 13, 8:06am

Because it’s a number. From a brain development standpoint the frontal cortex

Nakedbootleg

Nov 13, 8:16am

Yes, from a legal standpoint, it makes him an adult.

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 9:30am

Angrily throwing a projectile towards people and causing serious injury is way

Doogal McCougar

Nov 13, 2:10pm

Yes

fattycoug

Nov 13, 8:24am

All 5 of my kids, 8-14, all know that was very dangerous and extremely wrong

viper

Nov 13, 9:12am

Of course they do. So does this 18 yr old.

Eddie

Nov 13, 9:24am

They would not make this bad of a choice no. Unless they really go down hill,

viper

Nov 13, 9:34am

I’m not saying they would make THIS choice.

Eddie

Nov 13, 9:53am

Yeah, he's an 18 year-old kid. He can learn a lesson without ruining his life.

Belboz

Nov 13, 9:36am

Yep and those kids are old enough to make life decisions on missions, school,

bornbyu93

Nov 13, 9:26am

He is, but there were many bottle throwers, and society benefits when the one

Abe Froman

Nov 13, 9:30am

Yeah but is there a difference between throwing it onto the field to make a

bornbyu93

Nov 13, 9:32am

He threw it into a crowd of women from BYU. If he had thrown it onto an empty

Abe Froman

Nov 13, 9:43am

I think that is what he is saying. I think you two agree

yahtzee

Nov 13, 11:19am

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Adwight

Nov 13, 7:39am

Or water bottle.

MightyFreakingCougar

Nov 13, 7:48am

Humans shouldn’t hurt each other over a football game. Quit treating 18 year

Your Royal Blueness

Nov 13, 9:37am

My only issue is what "throw the book at him" potentially means.

Belboz

Nov 13, 10:35am

Yeah very true. I’m good with him getting what you mentioned

Your Royal Blueness

Nov 13, 11:54am

Yes, it would be "getting off easy."

DeepCCoug

1:27am

I'd add two things: 1. He should be banned from Utah sporting events for life

Don_Juan_El_Guapo

Nov 13, 7:05am

I think making the kid attend all Utah sporting events would be a more severe punishment.

Housemartin

Nov 13, 7:12am

And clean up garbage on the field or anything left on the west concourse.

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 7:19am

He still deserves his eighth amendment rights. I mean west concourse clean up

Nakedbootleg

Nov 13, 7:36am

RE: He still deserves his eighth amendment rights. I mean west concourse clean

CougarDanger

Nov 13, 10:08am

Only as long as he is wearing full BYU gear.

roadrash

Nov 13, 9:45am

Nah sentence him to clean up the west concourse after games

KYU

Nov 13, 7:39am

Their administration did send a message

Gustav

Nov 13, 8:23am

It’s seems there are few things Taylor Randall enjoys more than being silent

JosephAllenMaldonado

Nov 13, 10:45am

I don't think we know enough about the young man to know how he should be dealt with. Is he a good kid who did something

John Doe

Nov 13, 7:08am

I think we should be held responsible for our actions at any age.

Nov 13, 7:15am

We do that now. We have a different system for juveniles. But once they reach adulthood, how do you do that?

John Doe

Nov 13, 7:43am

Got it. I think I misunderstood your message.

Nov 13, 11:44am

This is a bad situation no matter the outcome. What I am most disappointed in is

Nov 13, 7:12am

If he posted what he did on social media then he deserves to be prosecuted to

CameronG

Nov 13, 12:28pm

Today's society "he is just a baby." 200 years ago he has real responsibility.

maYbe

Nov 13, 7:14am

200 years ago JS was taken to trial for criminal conduct

hadmonster

Nov 13, 1:05pm

This is the age old debate about justice & mercy

Nov 13, 7:19am

I wonder how this compares to the BYU fan attack on the Utah mascot

Nov 13, 7:19am

A BYU fan knocked out a pirate? Seems like that would have made the news.

DirtyWater

Nov 13, 7:21am

wasn't it a male cheerleader, not a mascot?

Blue Ridge

Nov 13, 7:57am

I was young once, I don't have a criminal record, never came close

Count Cougar

Nov 13, 7:26am

My dad was tangentially aware that my friends and I bent and lightly fractured

Emmett Fitz-Hume

Nov 13, 7:30am

This sort of thing makes me think of the story President Hinckley shared in conference about the woman who had a frozen

durandal

Nov 13, 7:36am

I'd be happy to see him get a criminal record and a year in jail.

DeepCCoug

Nov 13, 7:58am

I'll never understand this perspective.

durandal

Nov 13, 8:02am

He needs to pay a heavy price to be an example for everyone else.

DeepCCoug

1:13am

Yikes, that's harsh dude.

runnincoug

Nov 13, 8:42am

He deserves it. He intended to commit injury to someone from the other side.

DeepCCoug

1:16am

Unless the coach who got hit is a family member, this is unhinged

Nov 13, 9:21am

I was 18 once. I wasn't throwing dangerous items at people's heads.

COACHdrn

Nov 13, 7:48am

A good Judge will have all that figured out.

VenomFarmer

Nov 13, 7:49am

The U allows this behavior. They are to blame.

LateToTheGame

Nov 13, 7:49am

This is the right take. It’s more on them than it is on the kid.

JosephAllenMaldonado

Nov 13, 10:46am

He was not charged with disorderly conduct. He was charged with assault.

bocadillotortuga

Nov 13, 7:51am

pffft. My kids? I was worse. Glad I didn't ruin my life.

Acorn

Nov 13, 8:00am

I agree. I was young and dumb. I look at some of the stuff I did at that age and

bookofdaniel

Nov 13, 8:07am

We were all teenagers once…

PatriotCoug86

Nov 13, 8:09am

Banned for life, community service, record expunged after probation.

mccledg

Nov 13, 8:26am

I tend to be more sympathetic towards victims…

First-n-10

Nov 13, 8:18am

You can do both.

fattycoug

Nov 13, 8:25am

The banned student went on his mission and came back and attended BYU.

BYULAWGUY

Nov 13, 9:02am

His community service should involve cleaning toilets on BYU campus

Nov 13, 8:23am

Connor Pay said…

PatriotCoug86

Nov 13, 8:51am

If that is the case, then it should not be a Class A misdemeanor

BYULAWGUY

Nov 13, 9:03am

The cheerleader coach said plastic water bottle. I wouldn’t go with what Pay

Nov 13, 10:33am

From the video it looks like a full, plastic, water bottle. It bounces off her face and sprays water. If it were metal..

PJMort

Nov 13, 11:02am

Yeah, kids do kid stuff. When I turned 16, we drove around town and threw

Nov 13, 9:00am

Sure sounds like a lot of people are trying to turn the perpetrator into a

Jasbo

Nov 13, 9:28am

I don’t think that’s the case at all.

Eddie

Nov 13, 9:38am

The problem is nobody knows about previous history if it keeps getting swept

stoils

Nov 13, 10:24am

I agree - completely.

Eddie

Nov 13, 10:45am

Yep. DARVO. The leftists use that tactic all the time.

DeepCCoug

1:18am

Did he come forward? That would show remorse. If he got caught and

ChiCityCoug

Nov 13, 9:48am

I would feel worse for him if he faced no real consequences.

buckeyecougarguy

Nov 13, 9:53am

Our opinions are irrelevant, it's in the hands of the justice system now

RIGAMORTIS

Nov 13, 9:54am

The goal is to effect change. There's no change if he gets off easy. No change

Accipiter

Nov 13, 10:09am

I tend to be less sympathetic, why?

stoils

Nov 13, 10:17am

A couple of observations from a Utah licensed attorney (me)

davidsonlaw

Nov 13, 10:28am

People behave differenty in a mob than they do when they're alone

Belboz

Nov 13, 10:38am

This. I blame the kid, but I blame the toxic Rice Eccles culture more.

runnincoug

Nov 13, 10:56am

Just being part of a mob doesn't excuse criminal behavior.

davidsonlaw

Nov 13, 11:22am

It doesn't excuse the behavior, but it makes me hesitate in dismissing the kid

Belboz

Nov 13, 11:30am

He assaulted a woman. Why does this not compute?

MarylandFan

Nov 13, 12:59pm

Right, he did something stupid that led to a terrible consequence.

Belboz

Nov 13, 1:13pm

Exactly correct. You get more of what you tolerate.

DeepCCoug

1:20am

Calm down, a misdemeanor isn't going to ruin someone's life.

CougarWildcat

Nov 13, 10:38am

If he interviews with a BYU fan and has to explain this away, he will be the

RoboKayne

Nov 13, 10:57am

I don't want any of this. The kid and his family are scum and consequences exist for a reason.

AltTabbins

Nov 13, 11:26am

That sounds good if you remove the "the kid and his family are scum" part.

Belboz

Nov 13, 11:32am

Who goes to a football game as a family and allows this? .. His family should be embarrassed.

AltTabbins

Nov 13, 11:36am

I'd definitely be embarrassed if my 18 year-old son did that.

Belboz

Nov 13, 11:43am

100 bucks says his dad was screaming and probably cursing and adding to the mob

runnincoug

Nov 13, 12:13pm

Plus he waited days to turn his son in instead of immediately

CameronG

Nov 13, 12:49pm

Sorry, I haven't read all the responses, but I believe financial compensation

Roadrunner70

Nov 13, 11:54am

I'd love to see 4 paragraphs about the victim of the assailant's projectile

MarylandFan

Nov 13, 12:18pm

I haven’t seen any discussion about potential lawsuits from victim

Superman21

Nov 13, 12:57pm

Please, just stop with all the speculation. Let justice prevail. No shenanigans

sfeuz

Nov 13, 1:44pm

RE: Regarding the 18 year old culprit of water bottle. When situations

tonythetiger

Nov 13, 5:16pm

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