That was 10+ years ago. He doesn't do it now. He has improved. Let it go.

Aug 23, 2024
2:18:36pm

Socrates Johnson All-American

You are using evidence of improvement (the fact that he threw Detmer under the bus and didn't do the same to Tuiaki) as evidence that he is a bad coach or doesn't take accountability.

Or would you prefer that he had thrown Tuiaki under the bus too? Would that have made you feel better?

Also, we all love Ty but his offenses at BYU WERE NOT GOOD-- period.

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Time

Jake Hatch says players started showing up late to meetings mid season

Zak

Aug 23, 9:26am

Reading between the lines

canuckchuck

Aug 23, 9:29am

Kalani is man of honor and loyalty

WhiteFox

Aug 23, 11:26am

He doesn't throw his coaches under the bus? Ummm....Ty Detmer?

byubyu

Aug 23, 11:29am

Things don’t always turn out well

WhiteFox

Aug 23, 11:41am

Well your entire first paragraph is incorrect- if you want to look at how he

byubyu

Aug 23, 11:46am

They did Ty Dirty

azesq

Aug 23, 10:31pm

And Ty's been nothing but "honorable" & "gracious" towards BYU.

gopman

Aug 24, 8:44am

I was lucky enough to be around the program at that time... Ty was not 'Done Dirty'

TheLost

Aug 24, 10:56am

Firing a coach doesn’t mean throwing them under the bus

molodyets

Aug 23, 11:49am

As I posted above, he deserved to be let go. But how he publicly treated him

byubyu

Aug 23, 12:10pm

He absolutely threw Detmer under the bus. Many times during the season.

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 12:28pm

That was 10+ years ago. He doesn't do it now. He has improved. Let it go.

Socrates Johnson

Aug 23, 2:18pm

We don’t really know what his offense was. 2016 = decent. 2017 = terrible.

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 6:10pm

That's a good story based on a lot of assumptions, a little bit of "evidence,"

Socrates Johnson

Aug 25, 6:50am

Ty Detmer was "thrown under the bus"?

Plantagenet

Aug 23, 3:44pm

Don’t think any disputes Ty should have been let go. KS didn’t act

kansascougar

Aug 23, 10:19pm

They gave Detmer a job that wasn’t ready for…instead of grooming him slowly up

44C

Aug 23, 10:23pm

Pretty sure TD was only coming if it was the OC job.

TempeCoug

Aug 23, 10:40pm

"He takes the criticism on his shoulders" - I disagree. "We have to do better" after every single loss isn't taking

unctoothman

Aug 23, 12:58pm

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Division Bell

Aug 23, 1:40pm

That timing coincides w/last year's collapse. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 12:21pm

It’s a pattern. KS loses the team mid season with a long losing streak.

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 12:30pm

2017 fits in the pattern, too. 3 out of 8 seasons marked by implosion. That's

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 3:04pm

most high school programs worth anything don't stand for showing up late for meetings.

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:29am

And these guys are basically employees now.

JAGA97

Aug 23, 9:32am

I dunno that the program has the guts to bench a star player for being late right now. It's tough

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:34am

It's all about establishing the culture up front and knowing that certain

Huge Manatee

Aug 23, 9:40am

Didn't missions & mission Presidents teach us that? We all have stories....

gopman

Aug 23, 9:43am

right. I agree that is the way to do it. Bench them. "My team is on the floor."

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:43am

BYU is not a serious football program

CameronG

Aug 23, 9:47am

LaVell & Bronco understood this.

gopman

Aug 23, 9:50am

And why Bronco now coaches at a low level G5 school.. so he doesn't have to deal with 'serious football'

TheLost

Aug 23, 9:54am

Bronco doesn't like pressure, that's why he's at where he's at

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:00am

My understanding was UVA wanted to keep Bronco but let most of his staff go.

gopman

Aug 23, 10:01am

Yeah Bronco's loyalty to Nick Howell in particular is something

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:05am

Which amounts to pressure that he did not like

johnnybyu

Aug 23, 1:39pm

I'm not a big Bronco guy, but I disagree

UnhealthyAddiction

Aug 23, 10:27am

Todays college football is not the same as it was 5 years ago.

TheLost

Aug 23, 10:55am

100%. With NIL & portal Id much rather coach G5 and even that sounds exhausting.

Cougs4Lfe

Aug 23, 12:08pm

He doesn't mind pressure. But he will NOT be told what to do. That's why he left BYU and UVA. Tangentially related to

byuTX

Aug 23, 10:50am

Counterpoint: Holly.

shimmy

Aug 23, 12:48pm

Bronco definitely has flaws and I think it was probably his time to go, but he’s a far better head coach. Both of them

KYU

Aug 23, 11:26am

I know we had the wrong cleats on at home v. ISU, but is this TCU

Captain Stubing

Aug 23, 10:12am

Pretty sure it was Batty who after the game said players thought TCU's field was

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:16am

Was that game before or after the disaster Slip and slide game at home? Talk about not learning from mistakes

KYU

Aug 23, 12:34pm

TCU game was a month before the slipping and sliding at home vs ISU

CameronG

Aug 23, 12:53pm

It was Batty - he was wearing a mic during the pre-game warmup and made that comment.

acadian8

Aug 23, 8:39pm

This team will never be disciplined under current leadership.

J. Walter Weatherman

Aug 23, 10:21am

Posts like this, written right before the start of the season when hope and optimism should rule the day, are a key

KYU

Aug 23, 12:32pm

*KS doesn't run a serious football program. Can he change?

LateToTheGame

Aug 23, 12:42pm

Anybody can change if they want it enough and are humble enough to recognize

CameronG

Aug 23, 12:57pm

Yes and there is not a better place for a D1 head coach to do this than BYU, but

LateToTheGame

Aug 23, 6:55pm

If he hasn't done it by now, he's not going to.

DeepCCoug

Aug 24, 4:55pm

Amen!

Your Royal Blueness

Aug 23, 12:51pm

Let it go.

VenomFarmer

Aug 23, 2:43pm

Holy smokes, I just found there’s an Ignore feature in Cougarboard!

nitestal

Aug 23, 9:11pm

and then something happened in time for the Oklahoma game

Belboz

Aug 23, 9:32am

The two games we lost by being undisciplined?

Loafer

Aug 23, 12:15pm

you can label it how you want. BYU was close enough to win both of them.

Belboz

Aug 23, 12:30pm

I actually thought BYU played hard vs Texas, they were just a playoff team

CameronG

Aug 23, 1:02pm

They were much better against Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

Belboz

Aug 23, 1:15pm

Kalani is not the answer. He's the problem.

byubyu

Aug 23, 9:32am

Jamaal Williams in 2016 mentioned how "lax" everything was

gopman

Aug 23, 9:35am

He just needs time to establish his culture. Just some more time.

BGRTHNUMEGO

Aug 23, 9:38am

And $. Don't forget money. If only we could have doubled Tuiaki's salary again,

byubyu

Aug 23, 9:40am

To be fair, it was only a few years ago, that he had all of Broncos players out of the program. He still needs time

KYU

Aug 23, 9:48am

And maybe he needs to go back and look at the film.

Blewis15

Aug 23, 11:06am

Kalani is a great guy. Just not the guy.

KYU

Aug 23, 9:38am

He doesn't have much leadership DNA, more of an assistant.

BigHouse Coug

Aug 23, 10:03am

Assistant to the head coach........ at the HS level.

TeeKaa

Aug 23, 3:52pm

I could see him being a great coach for his kids teams.

BigHouse Coug

Aug 23, 6:02pm

What a stupid comment. Are you 6?

ColonelMustard

Aug 24, 9:09am

RE: Kalani is a great guy. Just not the guy.

44C

Aug 23, 10:28pm

I have heard that transfer players are surprised at how lax the bye weeks are.

gaffer

Aug 23, 12:23pm

Would explain why BYU is not great out of bye weeks.

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 12:28pm

Our game with Utah is after our bye week too… Can’t wait for that embarrassment

Rigoletto

Aug 23, 5:26pm

Well we know the players went to Disneyland for a bye week last year

CameronG

Aug 23, 1:06pm

Who knew BYU even went to the TCU game??

InsertNameHere

Aug 24, 11:21am

Rex and kedon returned sunburnt from the beach trip

claw

Aug 23, 10:05pm

And it shows. We get an extra week to prepare, but it hasn’t looked that way.

Blue chunks

Aug 24, 11:29am

Hopefully this doesn’t surprise any of us.

Brisco

Aug 23, 1:18pm

It was much more lax in 2016 and 2017 than it is today

MaxxPower

Aug 23, 6:06pm

I remember them all saying how “chill” it was and seeing it was a red flag

Your Royal Blueness

Aug 23, 7:09pm

This exactly. Can we win with Kalani as a head coach? Yes we can but it won’t

cougsareforreal

Aug 23, 10:20am

Amen

LateToTheGame

Aug 23, 12:45pm

Jim McMahon would scoff at KS's "party dorm"

Aug 23, 12:46pm

The horse is dead, no need to keep beating it over and over. All know...

Katewot

Aug 23, 2:12pm

Stuff like this makes me think life might be better without Cougarboard.

nitestal

Aug 23, 9:10pm

Bronco, sure is heck, ain't the answer either?It's jay hill and all the bronco l

CarolinaCoug

Aug 24, 7:19pm

Let me fix that for you...or at least try

here's to hoping

Aug 24, 7:58pm

Posts like yours are why we need the WORST POTD button

Iki_Balam

Aug 24, 8:58pm

This is Kalani's last season

Coug

Aug 23, 9:33am

I agree

KYU

Aug 23, 9:35am

In your dreams

OldFogey

Aug 23, 9:42am

I would assume that the KY hire is putting pressure on Kalani. BYU wouldn't

Duke Silver

Aug 23, 9:48am

I think he'd have to go 3-9 to get fired.

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:52am

Why 3 & not 4-5? Losing is losing. Bowl game or bust.

gopman

Aug 23, 9:56am

I'm not saying if he should be fired, but if BYU would actually pull the trigger. I initially thought 2 losing seasons

shimmy

Aug 23, 10:06am

You have to win the bowl game too. 6-6 becoming 6-7 sucks too.

TeeKaa

Aug 23, 3:55pm

I agree. Unfortunately the bar is so low with Kalani....

gopman

Aug 23, 4:20pm

I don't know about that. If some major donors band together and use their

Duke Silver

Aug 23, 9:57am

That might be the only hope to overcome the you gotta give him time to adjust to

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 12:30pm

I think he needs 5 wins to at least show he's not getting worse

Huge Manatee

Aug 23, 9:58am

I think all he needs is 4, that's going in the wrong direction.

BigHouse Coug

Aug 23, 10:05am

Some fans want this to be the case, but barring something catastrophic it's not

RockyBalboa

Aug 23, 9:56am

I’d be fine with that…

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 12:33pm

LOL - Kalani in demand!. Other coaches know his capabilities. He'd be at a JC

TeeKaa

Aug 23, 4:00pm

Of course, he is the good cop to Kyle’s bad cop.

claw

Aug 23, 10:07pm

They showed a lack of discipline on the field so it makes sense that they lacked

CameronG

Aug 23, 9:38am

I feel like it was pretty well known last season that members of the O Line

cougarbob137

Aug 23, 9:45am

RE: I feel like it was pretty well known last season that members of the O Line

TheLost

Aug 23, 9:52am

I can't believe that nobody saw this kind of thing coming with NIL...

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:07am

If this is true, it's more condemning of KS than having a losing season.

tony

Aug 23, 10:20am

IMHO.. its the players, and coaches have to deal with it.

TheLost

Aug 23, 10:58am

Sitting out of a game or two would definitely raise questions to the NFL teams

TeeKaa

Aug 23, 4:05pm

You have access and talk to position coaches on the BYU football team?

nitestal

Aug 25, 5:20am

And you want to know why NIL funds are not available to Kalani like they are to KY right now...

Coug

Aug 23, 9:47am

What!?! People with money expect results? I don't like that!

gopman

Aug 23, 9:52am

Just give me something to believe in

44C

Aug 24, 10:56am

We’ve been hearing about accountability issues since Kalani started. It’s almost

maxpowers

Aug 23, 9:50am

i have trouble imagining a guy that rallied such support for an extension 2 years in a row could be a bad organizer

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:55am

Covid & not having P4 $$$$ at the time will do that for an AD.

gopman

Aug 23, 9:57am

The conversation will have to be about Kalani being accountable

BigHouse Coug

Aug 23, 10:09am

Crazy how people in this thread gloss over all the problems under Bronco…

arcawley

Aug 23, 10:04am

Coaches can bench them. I've heard the Honor Code enforcement is more

gopman

Aug 23, 10:06am

Basically now they're told if they're going to break the HC to not be stupid and

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:10am

Benching NFL bound Olineman in the already terrible O-line?

canuckchuck

Aug 23, 10:40am

HC is more forgiving now.

coolblue

Aug 23, 11:09am

Hard to show up on time when players don’t get parking spots

GlutealGuy

Aug 23, 10:16am

Funny how for many on here Jake Hatch isn't reputable untilyou like what he says

slatecoug

Aug 23, 10:39am

Why is ManicBlue nowhere to be found in this thread?

TNT

Aug 23, 10:55am

I was just wondering the same thing!

here's to hoping

Aug 23, 11:59am

Things are rotten from the head down if stuff like that happens

Kolobrdm

Aug 23, 10:55am

And he's just sharing this now? What's his motivation, is it true, raises a few

basman

Aug 23, 11:03am

It's likely true - it wasn't Jake Hatch sharing that, he was simply repeating

ElkhunterUT

Aug 23, 11:22am

The problem is that even if it gets fixed you will never see it, so you will

SUAVO

Aug 23, 1:16pm

If the problem gets fixed, we'll see the improvement on the field

CameronG

Aug 23, 1:20pm

This 100% - the discipline issues manifest themselves all over the place and are

ElkhunterUT

Aug 23, 1:38pm

No, it won't. It may get fixed, but still have a bad season. Discipline isn't

SUAVO

Aug 23, 5:10pm

The discipline part will improve and been visible on the field, that is when

CameronG

Aug 26, 9:58am

If these problems persist it will manifest itself early this season. Bottom line, this should be a Make or Break season

runningryan

Aug 23, 11:50am

The problems are still there. I've heard plenty of credible recent stories...

J. Walter Weatherman

Aug 23, 6:25pm

That’s my fear too. The offseason was a disaster in the transfer portal

runningryan

Aug 26, 11:09am

I’m old enough to remember 2009, when the controversy after getting wrecked by

Junior Deputy

Aug 23, 12:04pm

Either way, it is a product of the coaching staff.

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 12:32pm

Common response to this is the coach is responsible for recruiting. What CB

CallSign

Aug 23, 2:39pm

If I was the head coach, and if my players were doing this, I would publicly

WaffleCheese

Aug 23, 12:42pm

But would it? And would you legally be able to share those records? I doubt it.

OldFogey

Aug 23, 1:20pm

Publicly announce, privately distribute. And/or give it to their agents.

WaffleCheese

Aug 23, 1:58pm

This falls on the head of any program. This has happened before in 2017 and

Your Royal Blueness

Aug 23, 12:47pm

it definitely showed around that time. Coaches were mailing it in as well

Longseason

Aug 23, 1:27pm

Isn't this just the Kingsley rumor resurfacing? Hatch references Connor Pay

Captain Stubing

Aug 23, 2:16pm

I sure hope that came up as a "question of concern" from the

gopman

Aug 23, 5:02pm

Lack of accountability. Lack of attention to detail.

Mjolnir

Aug 23, 5:15pm

Little lesson for working with youth whether a CFB team or primary class. It's much better to

Soupie

Aug 23, 7:23pm

Some of us have posted about the lack of discipline and accountability for a few

AZ Coug

Aug 23, 11:04pm

Jeff Grimes going to Baylor & not replacing him with a "like-tempered"

gopman

Aug 24, 8:46am

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