Counterpoint: Holly.

Reading between the lines

canuckchuck

Aug 23, 9:29am

Kalani is man of honor and loyalty

WhiteFox

Aug 23, 11:26am

He doesn't throw his coaches under the bus? Ummm....Ty Detmer?

byubyu

Aug 23, 11:29am

Things don’t always turn out well

WhiteFox

Aug 23, 11:41am

Well your entire first paragraph is incorrect- if you want to look at how he

byubyu

Aug 23, 11:46am

They did Ty Dirty

azesq

Aug 23, 10:31pm

And Ty's been nothing but "honorable" & "gracious" towards BYU.

gopman

Aug 24, 8:44am

I was lucky enough to be around the program at that time... Ty was not 'Done Dirty'

TheLost

Aug 24, 10:56am

Firing a coach doesn’t mean throwing them under the bus

molodyets

Aug 23, 11:49am

As I posted above, he deserved to be let go. But how he publicly treated him

byubyu

Aug 23, 12:10pm

He absolutely threw Detmer under the bus. Many times during the season.

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 12:28pm

That was 10+ years ago. He doesn't do it now. He has improved. Let it go.

Socrates Johnson

Aug 23, 2:18pm

We don’t really know what his offense was. 2016 = decent. 2017 = terrible.

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 6:10pm

That's a good story based on a lot of assumptions, a little bit of "evidence,"

Socrates Johnson

Aug 25, 6:50am

Ty Detmer was "thrown under the bus"?

Plantagenet

Aug 23, 3:44pm

Don’t think any disputes Ty should have been let go. KS didn’t act

kansascougar

Aug 23, 10:19pm

They gave Detmer a job that wasn’t ready for…instead of grooming him slowly up

44C

Aug 23, 10:23pm

Pretty sure TD was only coming if it was the OC job.

TempeCoug

Aug 23, 10:40pm

"He takes the criticism on his shoulders" - I disagree. "We have to do better" after every single loss isn't taking

unctoothman

Aug 23, 12:58pm

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Division Bell

Aug 23, 1:40pm

That timing coincides w/last year's collapse. Wouldn't surprise me if that's the

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 12:21pm

It’s a pattern. KS loses the team mid season with a long losing streak.

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 12:30pm

2017 fits in the pattern, too. 3 out of 8 seasons marked by implosion. That's

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 3:04pm

most high school programs worth anything don't stand for showing up late for meetings.

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:29am

And these guys are basically employees now.

JAGA97

Aug 23, 9:32am

I dunno that the program has the guts to bench a star player for being late right now. It's tough

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:34am

It's all about establishing the culture up front and knowing that certain

Huge Manatee

Aug 23, 9:40am

Didn't missions & mission Presidents teach us that? We all have stories....

gopman

Aug 23, 9:43am

right. I agree that is the way to do it. Bench them. "My team is on the floor."

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:43am

BYU is not a serious football program

CameronG

Aug 23, 9:47am

LaVell & Bronco understood this.

gopman

Aug 23, 9:50am

And why Bronco now coaches at a low level G5 school.. so he doesn't have to deal with 'serious football'

TheLost

Aug 23, 9:54am

Bronco doesn't like pressure, that's why he's at where he's at

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:00am

My understanding was UVA wanted to keep Bronco but let most of his staff go.

gopman

Aug 23, 10:01am

Yeah Bronco's loyalty to Nick Howell in particular is something

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:05am

Which amounts to pressure that he did not like

johnnybyu

Aug 23, 1:39pm

I'm not a big Bronco guy, but I disagree

UnhealthyAddiction

Aug 23, 10:27am

Todays college football is not the same as it was 5 years ago.

TheLost

Aug 23, 10:55am

100%. With NIL & portal Id much rather coach G5 and even that sounds exhausting.

Cougs4Lfe

Aug 23, 12:08pm

He doesn't mind pressure. But he will NOT be told what to do. That's why he left BYU and UVA. Tangentially related to

byuTX

Aug 23, 10:50am

Counterpoint: Holly.

shimmy

Aug 23, 12:48pm

Bronco definitely has flaws and I think it was probably his time to go, but he’s a far better head coach. Both of them

KYU

Aug 23, 11:26am

I know we had the wrong cleats on at home v. ISU, but is this TCU

Captain Stubing

Aug 23, 10:12am

Pretty sure it was Batty who after the game said players thought TCU's field was

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:16am

Was that game before or after the disaster Slip and slide game at home? Talk about not learning from mistakes

KYU

Aug 23, 12:34pm

TCU game was a month before the slipping and sliding at home vs ISU

CameronG

Aug 23, 12:53pm

It was Batty - he was wearing a mic during the pre-game warmup and made that comment.

acadian8

Aug 23, 8:39pm

This team will never be disciplined under current leadership.

J. Walter Weatherman

Aug 23, 10:21am

Posts like this, written right before the start of the season when hope and optimism should rule the day, are a key

KYU

Aug 23, 12:32pm

*KS doesn't run a serious football program. Can he change?

LateToTheGame

Aug 23, 12:42pm

Anybody can change if they want it enough and are humble enough to recognize

CameronG

Aug 23, 12:57pm

Yes and there is not a better place for a D1 head coach to do this than BYU, but

LateToTheGame

Aug 23, 6:55pm

If he hasn't done it by now, he's not going to.

DeepCCoug

Aug 24, 4:55pm

Amen!

Your Royal Blueness

Aug 23, 12:51pm

Let it go.

VenomFarmer

Aug 23, 2:43pm

Holy smokes, I just found there’s an Ignore feature in Cougarboard!

nitestal

Aug 23, 9:11pm

and then something happened in time for the Oklahoma game

Belboz

Aug 23, 9:32am

The two games we lost by being undisciplined?

Loafer

Aug 23, 12:15pm

you can label it how you want. BYU was close enough to win both of them.

Belboz

Aug 23, 12:30pm

I actually thought BYU played hard vs Texas, they were just a playoff team

CameronG

Aug 23, 1:02pm

They were much better against Oklahoma and Oklahoma State

Belboz

Aug 23, 1:15pm

Kalani is not the answer. He's the problem.

byubyu

Aug 23, 9:32am

Jamaal Williams in 2016 mentioned how "lax" everything was

gopman

Aug 23, 9:35am

He just needs time to establish his culture. Just some more time.

BGRTHNUMEGO

Aug 23, 9:38am

And $. Don't forget money. If only we could have doubled Tuiaki's salary again,

byubyu

Aug 23, 9:40am

To be fair, it was only a few years ago, that he had all of Broncos players out of the program. He still needs time

KYU

Aug 23, 9:48am

And maybe he needs to go back and look at the film.

Blewis15

Aug 23, 11:06am

Kalani is a great guy. Just not the guy.

KYU

Aug 23, 9:38am

He doesn't have much leadership DNA, more of an assistant.

BigHouse Coug

Aug 23, 10:03am

Assistant to the head coach........ at the HS level.

TeeKaa

Aug 23, 3:52pm

I could see him being a great coach for his kids teams.

BigHouse Coug

Aug 23, 6:02pm

What a stupid comment. Are you 6?

ColonelMustard

Aug 24, 9:09am

RE: Kalani is a great guy. Just not the guy.

44C

Aug 23, 10:28pm

I have heard that transfer players are surprised at how lax the bye weeks are.

gaffer

Aug 23, 12:23pm

Would explain why BYU is not great out of bye weeks.

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 12:28pm

Our game with Utah is after our bye week too… Can’t wait for that embarrassment

Rigoletto

Aug 23, 5:26pm

Well we know the players went to Disneyland for a bye week last year

CameronG

Aug 23, 1:06pm

Who knew BYU even went to the TCU game??

InsertNameHere

Aug 24, 11:21am

Rex and kedon returned sunburnt from the beach trip

claw

Aug 23, 10:05pm

And it shows. We get an extra week to prepare, but it hasn’t looked that way.

Blue chunks

Aug 24, 11:29am

Hopefully this doesn’t surprise any of us.

Brisco

Aug 23, 1:18pm

It was much more lax in 2016 and 2017 than it is today

MaxxPower

Aug 23, 6:06pm

I remember them all saying how “chill” it was and seeing it was a red flag

Your Royal Blueness

Aug 23, 7:09pm

This exactly. Can we win with Kalani as a head coach? Yes we can but it won’t

cougsareforreal

Aug 23, 10:20am

Amen

LateToTheGame

Aug 23, 12:45pm

Jim McMahon would scoff at KS's "party dorm"

g$

Aug 23, 12:46pm

The horse is dead, no need to keep beating it over and over. All know...

Katewot

Aug 23, 2:12pm

Stuff like this makes me think life might be better without Cougarboard.

nitestal

Aug 23, 9:10pm

Bronco, sure is heck, ain't the answer either?It's jay hill and all the bronco l

CarolinaCoug

Aug 24, 7:19pm

Let me fix that for you...or at least try

here's to hoping

Aug 24, 7:58pm

Posts like yours are why we need the WORST POTD button

Iki_Balam

Aug 24, 8:58pm

This is Kalani's last season

Coug

Aug 23, 9:33am

I agree

KYU

Aug 23, 9:35am

In your dreams

OldFogey

Aug 23, 9:42am

I would assume that the KY hire is putting pressure on Kalani. BYU wouldn't

Duke Silver

Aug 23, 9:48am

I think he'd have to go 3-9 to get fired.

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:52am

Why 3 & not 4-5? Losing is losing. Bowl game or bust.

gopman

Aug 23, 9:56am

I'm not saying if he should be fired, but if BYU would actually pull the trigger. I initially thought 2 losing seasons

shimmy

Aug 23, 10:06am

You have to win the bowl game too. 6-6 becoming 6-7 sucks too.

TeeKaa

Aug 23, 3:55pm

I agree. Unfortunately the bar is so low with Kalani....

gopman

Aug 23, 4:20pm

I don't know about that. If some major donors band together and use their

Duke Silver

Aug 23, 9:57am

That might be the only hope to overcome the you gotta give him time to adjust to

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 12:30pm

I think he needs 5 wins to at least show he's not getting worse

Huge Manatee

Aug 23, 9:58am

I think all he needs is 4, that's going in the wrong direction.

BigHouse Coug

Aug 23, 10:05am

Some fans want this to be the case, but barring something catastrophic it's not

RockyBalboa

Aug 23, 9:56am

I’d be fine with that…

Frankfromtheballpark

Aug 23, 12:33pm

LOL - Kalani in demand!. Other coaches know his capabilities. He'd be at a JC

TeeKaa

Aug 23, 4:00pm

Of course, he is the good cop to Kyle’s bad cop.

claw

Aug 23, 10:07pm

They showed a lack of discipline on the field so it makes sense that they lacked

CameronG

Aug 23, 9:38am

I feel like it was pretty well known last season that members of the O Line

cougarbob137

Aug 23, 9:45am

RE: I feel like it was pretty well known last season that members of the O Line

TheLost

Aug 23, 9:52am

I can't believe that nobody saw this kind of thing coming with NIL...

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:07am

If this is true, it's more condemning of KS than having a losing season.

tony

Aug 23, 10:20am

IMHO.. its the players, and coaches have to deal with it.

TheLost

Aug 23, 10:58am

Sitting out of a game or two would definitely raise questions to the NFL teams

TeeKaa

Aug 23, 4:05pm

You have access and talk to position coaches on the BYU football team?

nitestal

Aug 25, 5:20am

And you want to know why NIL funds are not available to Kalani like they are to KY right now...

Coug

Aug 23, 9:47am

What!?! People with money expect results? I don't like that!

gopman

Aug 23, 9:52am

Just give me something to believe in

44C

Aug 24, 10:56am

We’ve been hearing about accountability issues since Kalani started. It’s almost

maxpowers

Aug 23, 9:50am

i have trouble imagining a guy that rallied such support for an extension 2 years in a row could be a bad organizer

shimmy

Aug 23, 9:55am

Covid & not having P4 $$$$ at the time will do that for an AD.

gopman

Aug 23, 9:57am

The conversation will have to be about Kalani being accountable

BigHouse Coug

Aug 23, 10:09am

Crazy how people in this thread gloss over all the problems under Bronco…

arcawley

Aug 23, 10:04am

Coaches can bench them. I've heard the Honor Code enforcement is more

gopman

Aug 23, 10:06am

Basically now they're told if they're going to break the HC to not be stupid and

CameronG

Aug 23, 10:10am

Benching NFL bound Olineman in the already terrible O-line?

canuckchuck

Aug 23, 10:40am

HC is more forgiving now.

coolblue

Aug 23, 11:09am

Hard to show up on time when players don’t get parking spots

GlutealGuy

Aug 23, 10:16am

Funny how for many on here Jake Hatch isn't reputable untilyou like what he says

slatecoug

Aug 23, 10:39am

Why is ManicBlue nowhere to be found in this thread?

TNT

Aug 23, 10:55am

I was just wondering the same thing!

here's to hoping

Aug 23, 11:59am

Things are rotten from the head down if stuff like that happens

Kolobrdm

Aug 23, 10:55am

And he's just sharing this now? What's his motivation, is it true, raises a few

basman

Aug 23, 11:03am

It's likely true - it wasn't Jake Hatch sharing that, he was simply repeating

ElkhunterUT

Aug 23, 11:22am

The problem is that even if it gets fixed you will never see it, so you will

SUAVO

Aug 23, 1:16pm

If the problem gets fixed, we'll see the improvement on the field

CameronG

Aug 23, 1:20pm

This 100% - the discipline issues manifest themselves all over the place and are

ElkhunterUT

Aug 23, 1:38pm

No, it won't. It may get fixed, but still have a bad season. Discipline isn't

SUAVO

Aug 23, 5:10pm

The discipline part will improve and been visible on the field, that is when

CameronG

Aug 26, 9:58am

If these problems persist it will manifest itself early this season. Bottom line, this should be a Make or Break season

runningryan

Aug 23, 11:50am

The problems are still there. I've heard plenty of credible recent stories...

J. Walter Weatherman

Aug 23, 6:25pm

That’s my fear too. The offseason was a disaster in the transfer portal

runningryan

Aug 26, 11:09am

I’m old enough to remember 2009, when the controversy after getting wrecked by

Junior Deputy

Aug 23, 12:04pm

Either way, it is a product of the coaching staff.

Forzaitalia

Aug 23, 12:32pm

Common response to this is the coach is responsible for recruiting. What CB

CallSign

Aug 23, 2:39pm

If I was the head coach, and if my players were doing this, I would publicly

WaffleCheese

Aug 23, 12:42pm

But would it? And would you legally be able to share those records? I doubt it.

OldFogey

Aug 23, 1:20pm

Publicly announce, privately distribute. And/or give it to their agents.

WaffleCheese

Aug 23, 1:58pm

This falls on the head of any program. This has happened before in 2017 and

Your Royal Blueness

Aug 23, 12:47pm

it definitely showed around that time. Coaches were mailing it in as well

Longseason

Aug 23, 1:27pm

Isn't this just the Kingsley rumor resurfacing? Hatch references Connor Pay

Captain Stubing

Aug 23, 2:16pm

I sure hope that came up as a "question of concern" from the

gopman

Aug 23, 5:02pm

Lack of accountability. Lack of attention to detail.

Mjolnir

Aug 23, 5:15pm

Little lesson for working with youth whether a CFB team or primary class. It's much better to

Soupie

Aug 23, 7:23pm

Some of us have posted about the lack of discipline and accountability for a few

AZ Coug

Aug 23, 11:04pm

Jeff Grimes going to Baylor & not replacing him with a "like-tempered"

gopman

Aug 24, 8:46am

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