He is a mediocre CEO. The HC is responsible for bottom line results starting w/

Jul 8, 2024
5:45:43pm

Forzaitalia All-American

wins and losses then recruiting of players, hiring and timely firing of assistants, and x's and o's at least on one side of the ball. You do realize that?

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If KW retires after this yr BYU will have a Jay Hill conundrum on their hands

RockyBalboa

Jul 8, 3:04pm

It’s painful to me to think about how much better I think JH would be than KS

DanSmith

Jul 8, 3:06pm

I tell you what, hold off the worrying until Hill actually has BYU as a top 50 defense

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 3:07pm

I am not sure that having a Top 50 defense translates to being a great HC

2FarGone

Jul 8, 3:12pm

Good point. Betting the house on a guy who was 109th in total defense last year is a sure thing.

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 3:15pm

For a stats guy, you seem really fixated on a single data point.

ldssdl

Jul 8, 4:14pm

I’m really not interested in a deep dive here or a Tuiaki vs Hill tangent.

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 6:21pm

Serious question, was it better than the year previous?

sah22

Jul 8, 6:24pm

That’s an entirely different topic because we’re talking about Hill and his longer-term future

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 6:38pm

I haven't looked at data, but if he took us from something abysmal to something

sah22

Jul 8, 6:40pm

Technically we were worse rated this year than 2022…

arcawley

Jul 8, 6:42pm

Not based on advanced metrics: 2023 defense much better D efficiency than 2022

legiaourbana

Jul 8, 8:13pm

That's comparing Hill to Tuiaki as a DC, not Hill to Sitake as HC

krindorr

Jul 8, 7:12pm

Ok, but the defense cannot be evaluated in a vacuum either. The offense that

ldssdl

Jul 8, 6:26pm

The defense can pawn off only so much on the offensive impotency

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 6:48pm

But some advanced metrics had the D as much better in 2023:

legiaourbana

Jul 8, 8:15pm

Here you are giving KS a pass. I just don't understand it.

coolblue

Jul 9, 6:55am

Well, the last time around we "bet the house" on the guy who led the 116th

russkiejedi

Jul 8, 7:34pm

Lol. Total defense.

byubyu

Jul 9, 7:18am

It also helps to have better talent to get in that Top 50.....no?

RockyBalboa

Jul 8, 3:18pm

I'm sure it does. In the absence of that, some coaches get blood from a turnip.

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 3:20pm

RE: It also helps to have better talent to get in that Top 50.....no?

nitroboy

Jul 8, 11:07pm

Realizing KS is a mediocre HC & better suited as a coordinator is just realistic

Forzaitalia

Jul 8, 3:52pm

You do realize that the HC is more of an administrator of the football team and the coordinators are the ones that

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 3:58pm

He is a mediocre CEO. The HC is responsible for bottom line results starting w/

Forzaitalia

Jul 8, 5:45pm

Do you realize that BYU has been an Independent school until last year? We were not going to be able to recruit

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 6:32pm

You do realize he had 2+ yrs to prepare? You do realize the good BYU HCs were

Forzaitalia

Jul 8, 8:06pm

You do realize football can't be compared to track and field,

Threw and Through

Jul 8, 10:20pm

You're ignoring the point. KS's budget, salary, staff & resources dwarf most of

Forzaitalia

Jul 9, 8:01am

What exactly were they supposed to do during the 2 years to prepare?

puntersarepeople

Jul 9, 11:58am

You ignore the other many points of marked underperformance, especailly the 3

Forzaitalia

Jul 9, 7:49am

RE: You do realize that the HC is more of an administrator of the football team

imdocrob

Jul 9, 9:12am

Is KS a good coordinator though? He hasn't proven himself away from KWhitt

ldssdl

Jul 8, 4:15pm

Fair point. He was a failure @ OrSt w/Andersen. But he was ostensibly hired b/c

Forzaitalia

Jul 8, 5:52pm

He’s proven effective as the “player’s coach” under a disciplinarian/tactician

cajuncoug

Jul 8, 8:28pm

Pull the trigger at the end of the season.

coolblue

Jul 9, 6:54am

Don't worry, if that happens, it won't be long until BYU hires him back as HC

Huge Manatee

Jul 8, 3:08pm

What would be his pitch to Jay Hill?

Corn Pop

Jul 8, 3:20pm

So, a lateral move under a new, young coach is a smart career move? smh

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 3:20pm

I've got to think Utah pays more then BYU.

paulb

Jul 8, 3:24pm

I would think BYU would see the opportunity costs of losing him and pony up

byusage

Jul 8, 3:25pm

Not everything is about money. Most on this board don't seem to understand that.

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 3:27pm

It's one factor, but I think we lose that one factor to all non G5s.

paulb

Jul 8, 3:28pm

Doubt it. We'll have full B12 money after this year and BYU is better positioned than most P4 schools in that

ManicBlue

Jul 8, 3:36pm

Also ticket revenues from the football stadium is going to be more than most in

cougsareforreal

Jul 9, 5:08am

When BYU and the Church decide to play the business game, they can be very good

Plantagenet

Jul 9, 9:13am

RE: I've got to think Utah pays more then BYU.

Indy Coug

Jul 8, 3:29pm

And

Knee Brace

Jul 8, 3:35pm

Good point. I seem to be stuck in the past. Hopefully a trend that continues.

paulb

Jul 8, 3:37pm

They did because they had more money to pay. With media money equalizing in the

Corn Pop

Jul 8, 3:41pm

That is your Ute side, being hopeful

travelcoug

Jul 8, 5:17pm

That’s not a smart move. Scalley will just get all the credit

puntersarepeople

Jul 8, 3:24pm

It's a risk I am willing to see out

NacoCoug

Jul 8, 3:55pm

What does Hill gain by going to Utah if the money is the same?

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jul 8, 4:20pm

You realize that

hereforlaughs

Jul 8, 6:35pm

If they think Hill is the next HC they will likely match it

puntersarepeople

Jul 8, 6:39pm

You guys are funny.

kC Cougar

Jul 8, 6:45pm

Obviously pay is different, but the gap between Utah and BYU will be small.

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jul 8, 11:04pm

Jay Hill is already making seven figures as a defensive coordinator

JOPE

Jul 9, 8:39am

I honestly don't see the conundrum...is there realistically a reason that's a terrible thing?

krindorr

Jul 8, 7:08pm

Agree with your hypothetical outcomes, but I doubt the hypotheticals ever happen

Atmospheric_Cougar

Jul 8, 11:09pm

Could see him going, could see him not going... But agree it ultimately doesn't matter

krindorr

Jul 9, 1:13am

My greatest hope is that KS retires after this year.

Mitty

Jul 8, 7:34pm

RE: If KW retires after this yr BYU will have a Jay Hill conundrum on their

kerndog2

Jul 8, 8:01pm

BYU ponied up for him already. They’d do it again.

Dwide_Schrude

Jul 9, 1:27am

BYU is no longer in a position where it will ever be outbid by Utah for a candidate that it wants

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