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May 15, 2024
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RGGeemer
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That's not the rule. The rule only talks about the pivot foot. Once the pivot
foot is established, you can lift it, jump off the other leg, and shoot or pass before the pivot foot comes back down. No travel.
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Footwork so good nobody noticed the travel
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 8:32am
what travel?
runnincoug
May 15, 8:34am
He uses his right foot as pivot foot, then switches to left foot for pivot.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 10:34am
He never switches pivots...definitely not a clear travel haha
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:37am
4 sec mark, he uses right foot to pivot. 5 sec mark he's using left foot. Travel
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 10:41am
Right foot is always the pivot foot. He raises his pivot (allowed) and shoots
RGGeemer
May 15, 10:42am
He lifts his right foot, plants his left (3rd step) and THEN shoots. Travelling.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:04am
3rd step? What does that even mean? That's not the rule.
RGGeemer
May 15, 11:06am
You're allowed 2 steps once you stop your dribble. More than that is a travel.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:32am
That's not the rule. The rule only talks about the pivot foot. Once the pivot
RGGeemer
May 15, 11:34am
Yes that is legal.
chilawcoug
May 15, 11:13am
Only if you've NOT already taken 2 steps.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:33am
Incorrect.
RGGeemer
May 15, 11:35am
so 3, 4, 5 6, steps is ok....got it! No reason to dribble anymore!
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:37am
If you haven't lifted your pivot foot, yes. After, you get one step with the
m1k3l33
May 15, 12:20pm
Not sure what you’re seeing, doesn’t matter how many times he steps back-and-for
Coug-Ida
May 15, 12:22pm
It has nothing to do with the number of steps. It just has to do with the pivot
RGGeemer
May 15, 12:48pm
He never uses his left foot *TO PIVOT.* Just because only his left foot is on
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:47am
You can only change your pivot foot if it's your 2nd step! According to you, a
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:38am
You can’t change your pivot foot at all! You’re the one encouraging traveling
chilawcoug
May 15, 11:40am
There is no such thing as changing your pivot foot. Once your pivot foot is
RGGeemer
May 15, 1:20pm
Wrong!
AzCugrFan
May 15, 12:54pm
I'm wrong? Do tell. Legal at every level for decades.
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:59pm
Seriously? changing pivot foot has never been legal. Bball 101!!
AzCugrFan
May 15, 5:27pm
Hahaha good thing he didn’t!
chilawcoug
May 15, 5:40pm
The confusion here is you probably aren't aware that you can pick up your pivot
TheMediator
May 15, 12:15pm
There’s no travel?
RealTaysomHill
May 15, 8:35am
Footwork so good you assume he must've traveled when he didn't.
cougfanblue
May 15, 8:36am
No travel.
LifeLongLakerFan
May 15, 8:36am
You can lift pivot to shoot or pass. Which he did. No travel.
CSoul
May 15, 8:38am
You can change to shoot or pass
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 8:40am
That's not a travel. Textbook footwork off a pivot foot from what I'm seeing
runnincoug
May 15, 8:44am
He rotated off of both feet.
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 8:48am
You're making things up. The rule simply says:
cougfanblue
May 15, 8:52am
I’m not making things up
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 9:06am
What you're making up is that you think you have to know the original "purpose" for lifting the pivot foot.
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:11am
It looks like in the original that he drags it
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 10:05am
Drags his pivot foot? I don’t see that at all.
cougfanblue
May 15, 10:09am
You are way too invested
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 10:19am
You're backtracking and now attacking the messenger because you're wrong
runnincoug
May 15, 1:24pm
RE: You're backtracking and now attacking the messenger because you're wrong
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 1:56pm
you're ignoring the other rules regarding travel. By your silly argument
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:14am
How is that applicable here?
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:19am
because you're pretending that ONE rule covers all instances of traveling
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:25am
I never said anything of the sort. I cited the applicable rule to this specific scenario.
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:27am
It's really quite simple, you can't pivot on one foot, then pick that foot up
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:27am
The travel happens if you then put the pivot foot back down.
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:34am
nope, that's incredibly silly, you can't lift pivot and take a step w/ other ft
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:36am
Why would you not be able to take a step with your non-pivot foot? Again, please paste the rule you're referring to.
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:38am
i guess that's according to the rulebook of your own mind, not the rulebook that
cwilke1
May 15, 9:38am
It’s more embarrassing to be so confident in something
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:36am
here's the applicable rule for this exact scenario from a variety of sources:
cwilke1
May 15, 9:37am
Tell me youve never played basketball...
Goliath
May 15, 11:10am
you're totally right, this is a great insight. The reason we're disagreeing
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 12:00pm
We know.
Goliath
May 15, 12:16pm
No, you're mischaracterizing cougfanblue's point, and you don't understand the
Threw and Through
May 15, 2:16pm
<< Deleted >>
here's to hoping
May 15, 10:02am
Sorry that's not a high travel at any level, not in high school, not Jr Jazz
Plato
May 15, 8:53am
He didn't change...he lifted up his pivot but never changed.
chilawcoug
May 15, 8:47am
He lifted his pivot and took a step with the other leg!
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:15am
Taking a step doesn’t mean that foot becomes your pivot….
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:37am
RE: You can change to shoot or pass
CF99
May 15, 10:13am
I think that's a partial explanation. world fiba rules explains it as
cwilke1
May 15, 8:45am
Any of y'all saying he didn't travel are crazy
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:13am
What do you mean takes another step after he pivots?
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:38am
You’re the one who’s wrong. Moving your non pivot foot does not count as a step
PHXSUNS31
May 15, 9:51am
It’s a very normal basketball move that’s squarely within the rules.
cougfanblue
May 15, 10:07am
True. He uses his right leg as the pivot foot, then switches to the left.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 10:33am
He never uses his left foot at a pivot foot. He jumps off of it. That doesn't
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:38am
No he does not switch his pivot foot.
cougfanblue
May 15, 10:39am
He lifts his pivot foot (right), plants the left foot, then shoots. Travelling.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:06am
Again, I pasted the rule above - it's not a travel unless he returns his raised pivot foot to the floor.
cougfanblue
May 15, 11:08am
A player is allowed 2 steps. If his pivot foot is the 2nd step, you can't switch
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:35am
Your pivot foot is NOT the second step.
chilawcoug
May 15, 11:41am
I stop dribbling. Take a step with left foot, then a step with my right
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:51am
That’s actually a travel. First foot after picking up dribble is pivot and you
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:00pm
I don’t believe anywhere in the rules a travel is defined by
picking up
a foot.
cougfanblue
May 15, 1:05pm
Wrong. Your pivot foot is established once you stop dribbling and your left
RGGeemer
May 15, 1:11pm
You're wrong. You CAN take that step with the left foot after all that pivoting
Threw and Through
May 15, 2:23pm
travel
Beggar
May 15, 12:57pm
Not at any level for decades. Clean play.
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:59pm
RE: Footwork so good nobody noticed the travel
icecougar
May 15, 8:44am
Careful there bud, NBA fans get a little touchy when someone calls 3 steps a travel.
Perseguir
May 15, 8:45am
Well, all basketball fans should because number of steps is largely irrelevant.
chilawcoug
May 15, 8:49am
[didn't watch the video]
LifeLongLakerFan
May 15, 8:49am
Nah it’s when people don’t know how to count steps…regardless, it doesn’t apply
PHXSUNS31
May 15, 8:53am
Like I said, NBA fans get a bit touchy about saying 3 steps is a travel and y'all obliging proved my point.
Perseguir
May 15, 9:11am
Jokic didn’t do either of those things though. He established his left foot as his pivot foot. He didn’t raise the pivot
RealTaysomHill
May 15, 9:25am
Yes, he absolutely DID raise his pivot foot. He pivoted on his right foot, then
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:34am
You can raise it to shoot! Players have been doing that at every level since
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:40am
Where I struggled with this was the level that he rotated on the other foot
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 10:07am
I am so confused by your post. I am not sure the relevance of rotating on your
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:13am
I'm talking about when he changed pivots
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 10:18am
Okay, but he didn't change pivots. Do you mean when he changed his plant foot?
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:23am
I think the confusion comes when people assume that because a player lifts his pivot foot...
cougfanblue
May 15, 10:21am
How do you explain a dunk or a layup?
CF99
May 15, 10:10am
lol, there are totally different rules that govern how you receive the ball
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 10:46am
That is just not true at all; it is comical. As I said, please pull up the
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:54am
Exactly. thanks for adding to it. He just doesn't get it.
CF99
May 15, 11:19am
let me get this straight. So there AREN'T different rules regarding
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 11:54am
Disprove it!
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:00pm
somehow I think you're about to shift the argument
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 12:05pm
you're still arguing this? We are about to throw your clothes out into the
cwilke1
May 15, 12:14pm
nice, way to bring my kid into the convo for some weird reason
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 12:34pm
Yes. (a) restates the rule for (b)(3). They aren’t different rules, though.
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:20pm
boy, color me SHOCKED that you shifted the argument, shocked I say
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 12:23pm
I didn't shift it. I took it square on. Is (a) different than (b)(3)?
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:27pm
no his right foot was his pivot foot. Then he picked the right (pivot) foot up,
cwilke1
May 15, 9:34am
This is where I may disagree with you. He takes a step with his right (1 step), then his left which becomes his pivot
Perseguir
May 15, 9:40am
It’s legal under every rulebook. The last step—regardless of whether it comes
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:42am
A succinct summary of my previous post.
Perseguir
May 15, 9:42am
No you said it is 3 steps and so only legal under the NBA rulebook.
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:44am
I think we're arguing the same thing. The man has picked up and put down his feet 3 times since gathering the ball.
Perseguir
May 15, 11:00am
That’s fair! I was just trying to say this isn’t an NBA-specific thing that just
chilawcoug
May 15, 11:06am
So what’s worse, the constant cry of travel(incorrectly) or the correction?
PHXSUNS31
May 15, 9:48am
This wasn't a travel, but there were a few where he switched pivot feet
ochobeeguy
May 15, 8:56am
Yep. Lots of traveling in that game. Just not this time.
LifeLongLakerFan
May 15, 9:04am
I watched this ten times trying to find the travel
m1k3l33
May 15, 9:34am
Don't see a travel there
RGGeemer
May 15, 10:41am
Lady shows how it's done in 1-min video
Parker Schnabel
May 15, 10:45am
Frank Arnold called it the Oregon Crossover. As an assistant at the UofO
Parker Schnabel
May 15, 10:52am
It's only a travel if you cheer for MN
OldFogey
May 15, 11:17am
This move is known as a "step-through." It's 100% legal and always has been.
Roko's Basilisk
May 15, 12:49pm
Haha, watch this drew Timme video. He got away with way worse while in college
SoBlueitHurts
May 15, 1:14pm
Hated that guy
RGGeemer
May 15, 1:23pm
That video could have been made 100 times over. Got away with so much and only
SoBlueitHurts
May 15, 1:31pm
Those are so bad....
Captain Stubing
May 16, 4:18am
I've seen plenty of 6,7,8 step moves not called a travel in the NBA... this is
Mitty
May 15, 2:38pm
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