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SoValleyCOUG
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4 sec mark, he uses right foot to pivot. 5 sec mark he's using left foot. Travel
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Footwork so good nobody noticed the travel
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 8:32am
what travel?
runnincoug
May 15, 8:34am
He uses his right foot as pivot foot, then switches to left foot for pivot.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 10:34am
He never switches pivots...definitely not a clear travel haha
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:37am
4 sec mark, he uses right foot to pivot. 5 sec mark he's using left foot. Travel
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 10:41am
Right foot is always the pivot foot. He raises his pivot (allowed) and shoots
RGGeemer
May 15, 10:42am
He lifts his right foot, plants his left (3rd step) and THEN shoots. Travelling.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:04am
3rd step? What does that even mean? That's not the rule.
RGGeemer
May 15, 11:06am
You're allowed 2 steps once you stop your dribble. More than that is a travel.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:32am
That's not the rule. The rule only talks about the pivot foot. Once the pivot
RGGeemer
May 15, 11:34am
Yes that is legal.
chilawcoug
May 15, 11:13am
Only if you've NOT already taken 2 steps.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:33am
Incorrect.
RGGeemer
May 15, 11:35am
so 3, 4, 5 6, steps is ok....got it! No reason to dribble anymore!
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:37am
If you haven't lifted your pivot foot, yes. After, you get one step with the
m1k3l33
May 15, 12:20pm
Not sure what you’re seeing, doesn’t matter how many times he steps back-and-for
Coug-Ida
May 15, 12:22pm
It has nothing to do with the number of steps. It just has to do with the pivot
RGGeemer
May 15, 12:48pm
He never uses his left foot *TO PIVOT.* Just because only his left foot is on
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:47am
You can only change your pivot foot if it's your 2nd step! According to you, a
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:38am
You can’t change your pivot foot at all! You’re the one encouraging traveling
chilawcoug
May 15, 11:40am
There is no such thing as changing your pivot foot. Once your pivot foot is
RGGeemer
May 15, 1:20pm
Wrong!
AzCugrFan
May 15, 12:54pm
I'm wrong? Do tell. Legal at every level for decades.
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:59pm
Seriously? changing pivot foot has never been legal. Bball 101!!
AzCugrFan
May 15, 5:27pm
Hahaha good thing he didn’t!
chilawcoug
May 15, 5:40pm
The confusion here is you probably aren't aware that you can pick up your pivot
TheMediator
May 15, 12:15pm
There’s no travel?
RealTaysomHill
May 15, 8:35am
Footwork so good you assume he must've traveled when he didn't.
cougfanblue
May 15, 8:36am
No travel.
LifeLongLakerFan
May 15, 8:36am
You can lift pivot to shoot or pass. Which he did. No travel.
CSoul
May 15, 8:38am
You can change to shoot or pass
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 8:40am
That's not a travel. Textbook footwork off a pivot foot from what I'm seeing
runnincoug
May 15, 8:44am
He rotated off of both feet.
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 8:48am
You're making things up. The rule simply says:
cougfanblue
May 15, 8:52am
I’m not making things up
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 9:06am
What you're making up is that you think you have to know the original "purpose" for lifting the pivot foot.
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:11am
It looks like in the original that he drags it
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 10:05am
Drags his pivot foot? I don’t see that at all.
cougfanblue
May 15, 10:09am
You are way too invested
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 10:19am
You're backtracking and now attacking the messenger because you're wrong
runnincoug
May 15, 1:24pm
RE: You're backtracking and now attacking the messenger because you're wrong
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 1:56pm
you're ignoring the other rules regarding travel. By your silly argument
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:14am
How is that applicable here?
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:19am
because you're pretending that ONE rule covers all instances of traveling
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:25am
I never said anything of the sort. I cited the applicable rule to this specific scenario.
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:27am
It's really quite simple, you can't pivot on one foot, then pick that foot up
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:27am
The travel happens if you then put the pivot foot back down.
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:34am
nope, that's incredibly silly, you can't lift pivot and take a step w/ other ft
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:36am
Why would you not be able to take a step with your non-pivot foot? Again, please paste the rule you're referring to.
cougfanblue
May 15, 9:38am
i guess that's according to the rulebook of your own mind, not the rulebook that
cwilke1
May 15, 9:38am
It’s more embarrassing to be so confident in something
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:36am
here's the applicable rule for this exact scenario from a variety of sources:
cwilke1
May 15, 9:37am
Tell me youve never played basketball...
Goliath
May 15, 11:10am
you're totally right, this is a great insight. The reason we're disagreeing
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 12:00pm
We know.
Goliath
May 15, 12:16pm
No, you're mischaracterizing cougfanblue's point, and you don't understand the
Threw and Through
May 15, 2:16pm
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here's to hoping
May 15, 10:02am
Sorry that's not a high travel at any level, not in high school, not Jr Jazz
Plato
May 15, 8:53am
He didn't change...he lifted up his pivot but never changed.
chilawcoug
May 15, 8:47am
He lifted his pivot and took a step with the other leg!
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:15am
Taking a step doesn’t mean that foot becomes your pivot….
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:37am
RE: You can change to shoot or pass
CF99
May 15, 10:13am
I think that's a partial explanation. world fiba rules explains it as
cwilke1
May 15, 8:45am
Any of y'all saying he didn't travel are crazy
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:13am
What do you mean takes another step after he pivots?
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:38am
You’re the one who’s wrong. Moving your non pivot foot does not count as a step
PHXSUNS31
May 15, 9:51am
It’s a very normal basketball move that’s squarely within the rules.
cougfanblue
May 15, 10:07am
True. He uses his right leg as the pivot foot, then switches to the left.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 10:33am
He never uses his left foot at a pivot foot. He jumps off of it. That doesn't
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:38am
No he does not switch his pivot foot.
cougfanblue
May 15, 10:39am
He lifts his pivot foot (right), plants the left foot, then shoots. Travelling.
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:06am
Again, I pasted the rule above - it's not a travel unless he returns his raised pivot foot to the floor.
cougfanblue
May 15, 11:08am
A player is allowed 2 steps. If his pivot foot is the 2nd step, you can't switch
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:35am
Your pivot foot is NOT the second step.
chilawcoug
May 15, 11:41am
I stop dribbling. Take a step with left foot, then a step with my right
SoValleyCOUG
May 15, 11:51am
That’s actually a travel. First foot after picking up dribble is pivot and you
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:00pm
I don’t believe anywhere in the rules a travel is defined by
picking up
a foot.
cougfanblue
May 15, 1:05pm
Wrong. Your pivot foot is established once you stop dribbling and your left
RGGeemer
May 15, 1:11pm
You're wrong. You CAN take that step with the left foot after all that pivoting
Threw and Through
May 15, 2:23pm
travel
Beggar
May 15, 12:57pm
Not at any level for decades. Clean play.
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:59pm
RE: Footwork so good nobody noticed the travel
icecougar
May 15, 8:44am
Careful there bud, NBA fans get a little touchy when someone calls 3 steps a travel.
Perseguir
May 15, 8:45am
Well, all basketball fans should because number of steps is largely irrelevant.
chilawcoug
May 15, 8:49am
[didn't watch the video]
LifeLongLakerFan
May 15, 8:49am
Nah it’s when people don’t know how to count steps…regardless, it doesn’t apply
PHXSUNS31
May 15, 8:53am
Like I said, NBA fans get a bit touchy about saying 3 steps is a travel and y'all obliging proved my point.
Perseguir
May 15, 9:11am
Jokic didn’t do either of those things though. He established his left foot as his pivot foot. He didn’t raise the pivot
RealTaysomHill
May 15, 9:25am
Yes, he absolutely DID raise his pivot foot. He pivoted on his right foot, then
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 9:34am
You can raise it to shoot! Players have been doing that at every level since
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:40am
Where I struggled with this was the level that he rotated on the other foot
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 10:07am
I am so confused by your post. I am not sure the relevance of rotating on your
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:13am
I'm talking about when he changed pivots
whoneedscorners?
May 15, 10:18am
Okay, but he didn't change pivots. Do you mean when he changed his plant foot?
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:23am
I think the confusion comes when people assume that because a player lifts his pivot foot...
cougfanblue
May 15, 10:21am
How do you explain a dunk or a layup?
CF99
May 15, 10:10am
lol, there are totally different rules that govern how you receive the ball
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 10:46am
That is just not true at all; it is comical. As I said, please pull up the
chilawcoug
May 15, 10:54am
Exactly. thanks for adding to it. He just doesn't get it.
CF99
May 15, 11:19am
let me get this straight. So there AREN'T different rules regarding
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 11:54am
Disprove it!
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:00pm
somehow I think you're about to shift the argument
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 12:05pm
you're still arguing this? We are about to throw your clothes out into the
cwilke1
May 15, 12:14pm
nice, way to bring my kid into the convo for some weird reason
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 12:34pm
Yes. (a) restates the rule for (b)(3). They aren’t different rules, though.
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:20pm
boy, color me SHOCKED that you shifted the argument, shocked I say
Digital Gangsta
May 15, 12:23pm
I didn't shift it. I took it square on. Is (a) different than (b)(3)?
chilawcoug
May 15, 12:27pm
no his right foot was his pivot foot. Then he picked the right (pivot) foot up,
cwilke1
May 15, 9:34am
This is where I may disagree with you. He takes a step with his right (1 step), then his left which becomes his pivot
Perseguir
May 15, 9:40am
It’s legal under every rulebook. The last step—regardless of whether it comes
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:42am
A succinct summary of my previous post.
Perseguir
May 15, 9:42am
No you said it is 3 steps and so only legal under the NBA rulebook.
chilawcoug
May 15, 9:44am
I think we're arguing the same thing. The man has picked up and put down his feet 3 times since gathering the ball.
Perseguir
May 15, 11:00am
That’s fair! I was just trying to say this isn’t an NBA-specific thing that just
chilawcoug
May 15, 11:06am
So what’s worse, the constant cry of travel(incorrectly) or the correction?
PHXSUNS31
May 15, 9:48am
This wasn't a travel, but there were a few where he switched pivot feet
ochobeeguy
May 15, 8:56am
Yep. Lots of traveling in that game. Just not this time.
LifeLongLakerFan
May 15, 9:04am
I watched this ten times trying to find the travel
m1k3l33
May 15, 9:34am
Don't see a travel there
RGGeemer
May 15, 10:41am
Lady shows how it's done in 1-min video
Parker Schnabel
May 15, 10:45am
Frank Arnold called it the Oregon Crossover. As an assistant at the UofO
Parker Schnabel
May 15, 10:52am
It's only a travel if you cheer for MN
OldFogey
May 15, 11:17am
This move is known as a "step-through." It's 100% legal and always has been.
Roko's Basilisk
May 15, 12:49pm
Haha, watch this drew Timme video. He got away with way worse while in college
SoBlueitHurts
May 15, 1:14pm
Hated that guy
RGGeemer
May 15, 1:23pm
That video could have been made 100 times over. Got away with so much and only
SoBlueitHurts
May 15, 1:31pm
Those are so bad....
Captain Stubing
May 16, 4:18am
I've seen plenty of 6,7,8 step moves not called a travel in the NBA... this is
Mitty
May 15, 2:38pm
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