Poor recruiting and development from Steve Clark?

Dec 2, 2024
3:13:35pm

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Look, they were terrible at blocking and they were bad at catching too. They just didn't have the skills we needed for them to be featured in our offense when we have great wide receivers.

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Bowers in the portal

Knee Brace .5 Deviation Thunder

1:12pm

Grammar like that makes me 95% sure he’s heading to ASU.

The Y's Insider

1:13pm

That's cute.

VenomFarmer

4:55pm

Not surprising with how little use TEs were being used.

byuluvr

1:13pm

I’m frankly amazed we can recruit any TE’s.

Bluforever

1:16pm

I think they were used, but they just weren't that great.

Jeffacka

1:17pm

Worst preforming group on the team by a wide margin.

Rise Against

1:18pm

What could be the cause of that?

runningryan

2:28pm

Poor recruiting and development from Steve Clark?

Rise Against

3:13pm

Agree, but as you pointed out - it comes back to coaching

runningryan

3:16pm

Just like Holker was "a bad TE" 64 receptions later after leaving Arods awful

Das_Countach

3:44pm

Sophomore Isaac Rex would disagree with you and Holker quit on the team the day after he was the most targeted

TheLoneCougar

4:58pm

...I highly doubt his decision to leave was made due to a single game

Das_Countach

5:05pm

Just like pretty much every tight end...again, Sophomore Rex disagrees with you.

TheLoneCougar

5:14pm

Only for blocking. It has been this way for a while.

FanofBYU

4:49pm

More accurately, he couldn't break through the depth chart above him

kccougar

1:18pm

It’s a glaring problem year after year

bigjohn

2:02pm

Name those opportunities if there are "plenty"

chilawcoug

2:10pm

Arod is clueless when it comes to effectively using TE's

Das_Countach

3:46pm

He obviously doesn’t feel like he’ll play next year

deliciousmocha

1:14pm

We are losing everybody there. Swanson (mission) Hill and Ta'ase are seniors.

Corn

1:18pm

I think he just needs more time. Dang

Unibro

1:15pm

It’s more than that.

The Y's Insider

1:17pm

Ugh, ridiculous

FiveTen-BuckEighty

1:19pm

It's not ridiculous. It's just football. Some guys pan out. Others don't.

kccougar

1:19pm

Yup, taking personal offense at a young man's choice on what he wants to do is not a good waste of emotions.

CSoul

1:24pm

Sorry, it's just that TE is a very sore spot for me

FiveTen-BuckEighty

1:26pm

Hill had so many drops this year including a bad one against Houston

chilawcoug

1:34pm

Hill’s highlight for the year was recovering the fumble against Houston

stoils

3:37pm

he should switch positions. he will play more as a guard than TE.

molodyets

1:25pm

Lol “Thank you Heavenly Father! I am entering the portal” that’s a funny way to

palangi

1:16pm

My favorite line for people in Utah leaving their job as the trump card. "We just were inspired to do this"

CSoul

1:18pm

Agree but Bowers doesn't do that here. Just expresses gratitude.

Unibro

1:20pm

Yeh, I should have qualified it as I don't know what Brock is saying here or trying to pick on him. Just reminds me

CSoul

1:22pm

Had a situation moving back from living overseas where we could have gone to

indocoug

1:39pm

I don't think it's right to use it in a conversation in most professional settings, especially when

CSoul

2:06pm

I've been a "We don't use the TE's enough critic." But this wasn't (just) that

cajuncoug

2:58pm

He probably would’ve eventually seen the field, but it isn’t like the guys he

DieHarder

1:18pm

How do we whiff so consistently on big recruits???

Lifer

1:19pm

How many other program's depth charts do you pay close attention to?

kccougar

1:20pm

I don't. Are you saying our success rate with "big" recruits is average or

Lifer

1:23pm

Yes.

kccougar

1:33pm

Recruiting services do the worst at evaluating tight ends. Its data. There is

spidercoug

1:20pm

The fact that big recruits don’t often pan out proves that coaches don’t “develop” talent but they sure do hope to

Zach Morris

1:27pm

I think this was expected

darkcoug

1:19pm

Expected.

PhilPete

1:19pm

FWIW, I believed you PhilPete

Str8CashCougar

1:56pm

Not surprised since he couldn’t get higher than 5th string in a mediocre group

rivercitycoug

1:20pm

Under 2 different TE coaches as well.

deliciousmocha

1:56pm

Interesting post to look back on from October:

TCuz

1:21pm

For those of you pining for the Lyons boys. Not gonna happen, EVER, with Arod as

Forbidden Fruit

1:24pm

Thank you Brother Lyons, move on here

coot20

1:30pm

BYU has a 4 star curse.

cougaman

1:36pm

You could say that…or remember that we also have a few in the nfl. Fred, Taysom,

coug719

1:48pm

Great, 3 out of the last 15+ years.

cougaman

1:54pm

I mean, how many do we get?? Haha

coug719

2:00pm

And what is the general turnout rate across all programs?

chilawcoug

2:02pm

I could look that up, but sounds like a lot of work.

coug719

2:08pm

Sorry I was just trying to support your point.

chilawcoug

2:10pm

Oh, you’re good! Wasn’t trying to be snarky or anything.

coug719

2:54pm

Heaps, Apo, Stout, Mangum, hinds, Ah You, Tuifua, Fano, Damuni (undetermined),

cougaman

2:29pm

Fred and Puka were over 15 years ago???

chilawcoug

2:32pm

Puka was a transfer, as was Hill. Initially Warner didn’t show up as a 4 star

cougaman

2:58pm

Why do you suppose these 4 star players don’t develop at BYU?

Zach Morris

3:54pm

Some are probably overrated, and just early bloomers, and some have just had

cougaman

3:57pm

...just like Dallin Holker too, right?

Das_Countach

4:05pm

Who said anything about Dallin Holker? He was great as a freshman, then behind

cougaman

4:20pm

Exactly, some guys continue to develop and some guys reached their ceiling in HS. It’s not the coaches fault when they

Zach Morris

4:45pm

Did my post seem like I was trying to give fault? I’d just been a long stretch

cougaman

4:53pm

No, it didn’t suggest that. I’m referencing the common belief that when a player has success the assumption is because

Zach Morris

5:35pm

BYU continues to recruit blocking TEs

checoug

1:47pm

^^^^ This. We need big TEs with speed, who can run past LBs for 15yd passes.

FanofBYU

4:54pm

What bothers me about this is that our HIGHEST offensive recruits...

canndyman

2:10pm

Because they haven't deserved it. Your recruiting rankings don't mean a thing

molodyets

2:14pm

That very well may be true...

canndyman

2:16pm

you might want to take a look at the PFF ratings of the TE's, it is the worst

3:19pm

Holker quit the day after being the most targeted guy on the team.

molodyets

3:21pm

The BYU kid that quit mid-season did very well at CSU.

Benfica1

2:30pm

Bowers was one and didn't pan out. Swanson was a true freshman and saw some time

chilawcoug

2:19pm

HIGHEST or just hypest?

SinkingQuffa

4:02pm

No... They're the highest...

canndyman

5:34pm

I'd transfer too, ARod has no idea how to utilize TEs

therock

2:29pm

But CB tells me A Rod is amazing!

runningryan

2:31pm

How would you utilize guys who have a 60% drop rate and don’t block well?

stoils

3:40pm

Go be great, Jackson. THANK YOU for coming to BYU.

gocougs719

2:41pm

Who?

AlternateShot

2:45pm

Problem with Jake is his passes get batted down if they are close over the

Blue for Life

3:29pm

Zach Wilson used the TE a lot. Same system. Maybe JR doesn't look for the TE

GMGlenn

3:34pm

I think we just have better WR than TE. Rex post injury wasn’t the same

cougaman

3:36pm

We had significantly more talented TEs during ZWs time and less talented WRs.

TheLoneCougar

3:41pm

He can't make the throw over the OL/DL without getting it tipped.

Blue for Life

3:41pm

I expect more TE's yo do the same. BYU doesn't even use TE's anymore

SoValleyCOUG

4:59pm

Not unexpected. It's a few things

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