I hate that we are now using P4 to compare who played tougher opponents. In the 80s and early 90s

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Nov 21, 2024
3:44:36pm

kimdaddy35 Former Fly Half

I hate that we are now using P4 to compare who played tougher opponents. In the 80s and early 90s

there were plenty of really good teams that were not P5. It wasn't all money (just mostly) driven like it is today. Is JR's schedule tougher than Detmer's? Sure. But JR has never played a team like the Miami team that Detmer beat. Honestly nothing really close.

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So in 14 starts JR has faced 12 P4 opponents - more than TfD did in his entire

oxcoug

Nov 21, 3:39pm

I hate that we are now using P4 to compare who played tougher opponents. In the 80s and early 90s

kimdaddy35

Nov 21, 3:44pm

As an "old-timer" who loves the 80's & 90's of BYU football oxcoug is

gopman

Nov 21, 4:24pm

True, but if TFD was QB now (his younger self) we'd have won last week and gone

jtm0001

Nov 21, 3:44pm

Yeah I don't think so. If the same TY Detmer when he was college age played for BYU this year, I think given the change

DJROSS

Nov 21, 3:53pm

Ty Threw 28 interceptions his Heisman year. It's so hard to compare across eras, though. I'm not sure what the point is.

jpesk2

Nov 21, 3:55pm

Completely different offenses. Ty Detmer also threw for 432 yards per game his Heisman winning season.

kimdaddy35

Nov 21, 3:55pm

Ty threw 65 career INT (28 in the Heisman Year)

arcawley

Nov 21, 3:59pm

How many completions? TD passes? It was a totally different game and offense. He

jtm0001

Nov 21, 4:04pm

Yes he an I are the same age. The game today isn't what it was when he played. Is like asking Carl Lewis to compete

DJROSS

Nov 21, 4:48pm

Impossible to know. If Ty had grown up now and still had his processing speed, he'd be fine today.

jpesk2

Nov 21, 5:23pm

Fair point. Detmer (to his credit) & other BYU greats (Nielsen, Wilson, McMahon

gopman

Nov 21, 5:40pm

The thing that set Ty apart was just his processing speed, and his knowledge of the game.

jpesk2

Nov 21, 5:44pm

That is what I'm comparing. Ty in his 1989 prime having to play today's game against today's players

DJROSS

Nov 21, 5:47pm

No QB from 1989 would have success if you dropped them in the game today.

jpesk2

Nov 21, 6:41pm

100% agree with this

DJROSS

Nov 21, 6:53pm

This is actually a really good point

Incentivize

Nov 21, 3:47pm

I mean I thought it was illustrated perfectly in Zach Wilson's 2020 year in which he set fire to our old records while

kimdaddy35

Nov 21, 3:54pm

Lol. Ya let's compare something now with something that happened in college

byubyu

Nov 21, 3:59pm

LOL, yeah let's pretend this doesn't apply to Max and JoBeck and other BYU QBs

oxcoug

Nov 21, 4:14pm

ORRRR.. let's have a look at 2020: Troy. La Tech. San Antonio. Western Kentucky.

oxcoug

Nov 21, 4:17pm

I think most fans realize the schedule has improved. Perhaps a 140 rating before would be a 150 rating today. Maybe

kimdaddy35

Nov 21, 4:23pm

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