they left for PAC. That term means little to me. I see plenty of "active members" or even leaders behave in a petty and vindictive manner. There's enough of it on this board from BYU fans, and I have also lived close to Utah's campus and had mostly positive experiences with their fans. I agree that most are good people, but their president being a member does not mean the institution is not heading down the same ridiculous path of the bulk of academia (BYU is not totally immune either). Beyond that, SLC media in general, and especially the U of U, put out a lot of things smearing the church. I have more problems with those two things than the twitter trolls that think two 10-4 seasons make them a title contender.