Echo chamber!

We clearly took our foot off the gas and kept things pretty vanilla so we could finally get the Ute monkey off our back.

mulletino

8/13/22 4:40pm

Psychological pressure isn’t being accounted for.

ColdFusion1989

8/13/22 4:40pm

Not defending the defensive performance here, but we were up by 2 scores by

NOCAL_YFAN

8/13/22 4:43pm

21-3 at one point. Missing our 3 best receivers. The only really bad

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:05pm

Your example makes it even worse

chazen

8/13/22 7:21pm

Cougarbib be like

Dark Forest Green

8/13/22 4:46pm

Exactly!

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:06pm

Howabout this?

Blueto

8/13/22 4:46pm

Or this?

Blueto

8/13/22 4:50pm

you guys are amazingly loyal to tuiaki. i don’t get it

Kale

8/13/22 4:55pm

Or we think it clowny that so many are so whiny about Tuiaki in the offseason.

Benfica1

8/13/22 5:14pm

4 out of 6 years he has been above average, one year slightly below and one bad.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 5:21pm

No one should be including 2020 in any offensive or defensive numbers. We played

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:16pm

Then no one should include 2021 because of injuries.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:20pm

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The_ATL

8/13/22 7:42pm

Yep. But don’t tell the excuse makers

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:52pm

Fair critique but now you are moving the goal posts.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 8:44pm

Injuries which have been wildly exaggerated

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:21am

Yes. But, why did the BYU offense struggle with GA Southern. I will go with Jet

Cougarbib

8/14/22 8:59am

They didn’t struggle. They couldn’t get on the field.

BYU '80

8/14/22 9:02am

I don’t know. If we lost our best player on O would our O have struggled?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:15am

Yes. His name is Tyler Allgeier and we would have struggled, in 2022 the offense

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:42pm

Well then erase the offense numbers vs the same crap teams - and scratch the #2

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:08pm

Pretty sure he said throw out offensive and defensive numbers

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:22am

Nope, where are you getting that from?

ManicBlue

8/13/22 6:53pm

Crickets ... waiting on those stats. Which years were above average?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:21am

Ever heard of google?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:29am

RE: Ever heard of google?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:41am

Lol. What is your point? We were a independent team with an Honor Code and your

Blueto

8/14/22 7:18am

RE: Lol. What is your point? We were a independent team with an Honor Code and your

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:01am

It is sad that U don’t see that Sitake loaded the offense with resources after

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:49pm

Honestly this just proves my point that he isn’t that bad.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 8:11am

Great standard going into playing in one of if not the top offensive league

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:23am

Never said we should settle. Just that he isn’t the worst.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 9:30am

Has ANYONE ever said he was the worst? The point being is that BYU can be better.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:00am

If you do a search on CB for “tuiaki” and “worst” it brings up 1000’s of posts.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:20am

Why did we get better OCs when we looked for one? We're about to be in a P5 conference so

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:36am

Ok so you can’t think of anyone either. Good to know.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:45am

Seriously lame argument. If you really want a list, I'm sure it wouldn't take much to

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:58am

Couple things. We have only been a future P5 member for 11 months.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:23pm

No guts, no glory. Your motto?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:29pm

Bronco is a top defensive mind. One of the best IMO. Can’t count that to be

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:53pm

Those 50 or 60 'worse' DCs just might be better with BYU's resources too instead of on a G5 Sun Belt team.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 3:53pm

So you want BYU to hire someone who is statically worse than tuiaki but might

Cougzilla

8/14/22 4:00pm

Have you ever hired anyone? Obviously you don't just look at previous statistics. smh

ManicBlue

8/14/22 4:39pm

Yes, previous statistics aren’t irrelevant. Agreed. Good luck.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 5:37pm

RE: Yes, previous statistics aren’t irrelevant. Agreed. Good luck.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 9:35pm

Haha it’s all about who you know. Who do you know that would be good for DC?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 10:43pm

The offense does not have the exact constraints. Unless U call every

Cougarbib

8/14/22 1:02pm

Ignore the clowns and fools.

Cougarbib

8/14/22 1:00pm

Bird in hand better than an imaginary flock in the bush. U might want to go back

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:59pm

Sitake wouldn’t have gotten hired either. Grimes was a position coach for

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:57pm

Non sense. Do you want the guy Bronco liked - Howell - that fans hated back?

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:51pm

Uh no. Not above average.

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:20am

Why is it a bad metric?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:47am

This. Too many whiners who whine too much

OldFogey

8/13/22 6:17pm

Why are you content with mediocre?

ManicBlue

8/13/22 10:27pm

You really want to know or just want to argue?

OldFogey

8/14/22 7:19am

Would I ask if I didn't really want to know? I don't understand it.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:02am

Here goes:

OldFogey

8/14/22 2:55pm

Great post.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:41pm

Agree!

Cougarbib

8/14/22 4:50pm

I finally found time to read your whole post and respond.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:36pm

Nice post, I agree.

The_Cuss

8/14/22 10:47pm

LoL compare that to his predecessor and to Hill. Now add his BYU years. Very

Cougarbib

8/14/22 11:50pm

Bro, I love your passion. Don't agree with some of the takes, but not here to

OldFogey

8/15/22 10:02am

You keep taking about how good Bronco was and then saying Tuiaki is bad vs P5s

Blueto

8/15/22 2:20pm

Multiple 10w seasons in a row isn’t Mediocre

Pretorian

8/14/22 7:36am

Despite the d. Not because of it and one against a horrid schedule

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:24am

Exactly right.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:03am

This is a very biased take. The defense played well in plenty of games where the

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:42am

Even going by your very narrow metrics, you're still wrong.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:06pm

I Honestly don’t understand your point here.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:25pm

Just pointing out that by your metric set for the offense, our defense still wasn't good enough

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:33pm

How many of those games that we weren’t good enough to win did we win?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:43pm

Not the point. We shouldn't have to rely on our offense to always win games.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:57pm

Sure in a perfect world both sides of the ball would be elite.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 1:15pm

I'm not asking for elite ... above average would be a nice start.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 3:47pm

What counts as above average? 30-40 ranking? What stats are most important?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:52pm

I'd be thrilled with above 40.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 4:40pm

62 or 63 is average FBS

Cougarbib

8/14/22 4:51pm

Ok. What stats are most important?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 5:38pm

I've posted plenty of stats. You ignore them every time.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:38pm

Well I’m dumb so tell me again please?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 10:45pm

RE: Well I’m dumb so tell me again please?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:49pm

Bcf is who I quoted and you said it was bad. What specific stats do you like?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:09pm

RE: Bcf is who I quoted and you said it was bad. What specific stats do you like?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:28pm

Ok I sincerely want to know what stats you like to look at. We may disagree on

Cougzilla

8/15/22 11:47am

Teams with garbage D cant win 10 games much less 10 games in back to back

Pretorian

8/14/22 5:16pm

Helps to have a top 15 offense in back to back yrs

ManicBlue

8/14/22 5:23pm

Nobody said the D did it without the O

Pretorian

8/14/22 6:11pm

Can't do it playing a full P5 schedule.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 9:49pm

Except they did

Pretorian

8/15/22 11:13am

There are about 4-5 posters that are completely blinded, maybe personal reasons

kotacoug

8/13/22 5:38pm

I agree 100%

Blueto

8/13/22 5:52pm

No one give a rip about him personally. If he was a good DC and developed a good

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:07pm

U would not know a good product if it crawled up………..and bit your………

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:11pm

Uh ya my wife who barely knows football can read Tuiaki’s defense. It’s

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:51pm

How can we trust her opinion. She married you!

Cougarbib

8/13/22 11:29pm

No those critical of him just look at numbers. Like 107th on third down d

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:24am

These types of posts aren't helpful and only make you sound like the flip side of the coin for the picture you falsely

mulletino

8/14/22 1:03pm

Actually there are 5 such people leading a chorus in the echo chamber where

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:10pm

Five? Maybe of those you haven’t ignored for disagreeing with you

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:26am

What a clown! I have not put anyone on ignore. Ever! Probably should. U and the

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:04am

Fact…PPP allowed by Tuiaki’s D shows it was marginal at best throughout the

kotacoug

8/13/22 5:37pm

False. PPP shows he has been at least an average DC.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 5:56pm

Throw out 2020 for both offense and defense… that was not a quality

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:15pm

Is it fair to throw out his best year because of schedule and not his worst year

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:20pm

The schedule was beyond pathetic. If it was even close to being a decent

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:33pm

This is a reasonable post. Is losing 8 starters to injuries normal?

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:43pm

They lost eight starters the same game? Many of those eight were lost for one or

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:27am

And many played injured. Change your diaper and cheer up!

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:05am

Without looking it up how many players can you name that started against USC?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:21am

After lookin into it, the style of d shouldn’t be a factor for injuries.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:55pm

And they rotate a lot.

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:26pm

Well if they could get off the field they wouldn’t have to rotate marginal subs

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:54pm

They were not marginal until the unusual injuries hit. BTW coaches on offense

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:56pm

Pili you mean? Because he was the only one that made a difference

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:29am

Clown post. Tell the DB with career ending injury vs AZ that he made no

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:08am

I’m not referencing plays per game. I’m talking plays per drive

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:52pm

Who cares. Smart coaches with a 21-3 lead late in 3rd qtr go conservative on

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:58pm

Sure but players are regularly substituted on long drives.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 8:44pm

If d is getting more injuries due to more reps - the offense owes a thank you

Cougarbib

8/13/22 9:12pm

If players are regularly substituted then we're also not playing our best players

ManicBlue

8/13/22 10:26pm

Except fresh players play better than tired players and it develops better depth

Cougarbib

8/13/22 11:32pm

Do you expect the best players to play every play of every game?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:20am

I expect them to play the majority of downs and to get off the field before double digit drives.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:46am

2021 was an anomaly. Do u realize that? Nearly everyone else realizes it.

Cougarbib

8/14/22 2:17am

If you are talking about last year I am fully aware that we were bad.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 9:31am

We haven't been good on defense since Bronco. Mediocre at best. Why are you defending that?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:04am

I would argue above average. I am defending it because people on cb say

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:22am

Even prior to being invited to the B12, BYU would be an attractive job for most G5 DCs

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:36pm

What were our options when we fired detmer? I don’t remember an over abundance.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:45pm

Grimes was a pretty good option don't you think? In addition, we also had

ManicBlue

8/14/22 1:00pm

Exactly - BYU suddenly emptied the check book to solve the Detmer debacle. O got

Cougarbib

8/14/22 1:08pm

Yes, we had one good option that was a risk. He had never been an OC before.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 1:18pm

Roderick was a good replacement don't you think? Fesi might be one also who has OC experience.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 3:51pm

Great so throw out some defensive names on our staff or anywhere else that would

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:58pm

Weird I didn't realize that I got the HC job.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 4:41pm

U seem to think U know more than the head coach. I agree that u are not remotely

Cougarbib

8/14/22 4:57pm

Do you have to be the head coach to have an idea on who you want for the DC?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 5:40pm

How about someone who has actually been a DC somewhere before? That's a good start I'd think.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:37pm

Any names you would care to share?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 10:46pm

Do U pay any attention to hiring at BYU over the decades? See below:

Cougarbib

8/14/22 11:58pm

If Tuiaki had been given the budget to hire 3 or 4 assistants with previous DC

Cougarbib

8/14/22 4:55pm

Those who argue the injury excuse seem to make that argument

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:30am

Logic is a thing. Every play of every game is different than every game! Read

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:11am

U can’t toss out 2020 sched as 2 easy and dismiss 4 Top 10 OL opponents in

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:25pm

I agree that Tuiaki has not had great defenses but isn't top 35 in anything

BYU313

8/13/22 9:57pm

Bronco had outstanding defenses so why are you content with mediocre from Tuiaki?

ManicBlue

8/13/22 10:24pm

And yet the clowns in the echo chamber went after every DC he hired and

Cougarbib

8/13/22 11:34pm

J Hill was terrible and everyone pointed it out. Bronco

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:33am

Exactly. You know more than our last 2 head coaches about DC performance.

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:15am

Who recruits again? Can’t imagine why dl wouldn’t want to play

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:31am

Keep making things up. BM ran 3 DL and clowns and fools claimed that was

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:17am

Thank you for educating the clowns, fools, trolls, and skimmers spouting lies

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:15pm

People smarter than your one dimensional evaluation are evaluating Tuiaki. Keep

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:13pm

You act like your evaluation and analysis is good and that you’re the authority

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:34am

Actually I am going on Sitake’s authority!

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:18am

Average is 63. Even clowns know that.

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:41pm

See how emotionally racked your posts are. Irrational defense of Tuiaki

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:57pm

I call these people “MamaTu”. Their boy can do no wrong, but he’s the menace.

ColdFusion1989

8/13/22 8:07pm

And your hatred blinds you! At the risk of seeming racist - a few clowns on

Cougarbib

8/13/22 8:15pm

TMI. Didn’t ask and I don’t care. Continue the thread if you would like.

ColdFusion1989

8/13/22 9:05pm

Pot kettle. Exactly what did U disagree with. I do not know 1 coach on this team

Cougarbib

8/13/22 8:08pm

Don’t you know, his evaluation is the only one that matters

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:35am

2.3 yards per carry and opposing QBR of 55. It wasn't the best defensive performance ever but it got the job done.

Perseguir

8/13/22 4:49pm

I was at the game and the defensive performance was frustrating

Beggar

8/13/22 4:53pm

Same. I knew Arizona wasn’t going to be all that good, but I came out of that

bigbossbyu

8/13/22 5:15pm

Arizona had 27 1st down that game. Topped that once all season at Oregon.

bigbossbyu

8/13/22 5:26pm

That was classic Tuiaki, but his fans seem fine with that performance

vegas guey

8/13/22 5:52pm

PPP was only 1.45. That average the whole year would have been top 10.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:18pm

So what. Surprised U didn’t bring up other meaningless stats like TOP, unless

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:50pm

Hate 2 make excuses for the offense since the echo chamber usually handles that,

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:49pm

When you were at the game did u notice AZ had scored ZIP until a few seconds

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:46pm

I was at this game and the D didn't look good. That said – IT WAS LAST YEAR.

Benfica1

8/13/22 5:13pm

We’ve seen passive mediocrity for numerous years

vegas guey

8/13/22 5:54pm

The defense was good in that game. And the next 2 weeks as well. Even Kyle

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:54pm

Wasn’t this the Arizona coaching staffs first game?

Cougzilla

8/13/22 5:17pm

Definitely, but 1 game of film was enough for SDSU to hold Arizona to 200 less

bigbossbyu

8/13/22 6:45pm

That’s fair. I don’t want to give off the impression that tuiaki is all world.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 7:13pm

U mentioned the score. Funny U want to completely dismiss that. Actually, the

Cougarbib

8/13/22 6:59pm

Can you just be happy with a 10 win season and show some optimism or must you

Pretorian

8/13/22 7:27pm

Don't confuse the CB zealots with facts.

Forzaitalia

8/13/22 7:37pm

The safety changed the game. We were crushing them on D until that point.

EternalOptimism

8/13/22 7:39pm

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The_ATL

8/13/22 7:45pm

LOL. The DC would play the way the HC wanted him to play which would be

Cougarbib

8/13/22 8:19pm

And if tuiaki had Alabama level talent we would not be complaining about him.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 8:45pm

So how long do we give him to recruit better players? Offense is doing it…

The_Cuss

8/13/22 9:58pm

U R Right. Should have left Allgeier at linebacker. He would have been great.

Cougarbib

8/13/22 11:38pm

Allgeier was a walk-on lb. That doesn’t answer for the lousy recruiting

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:36am

It answers 4 the talent being pushed over to offense.

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:19am

The offense has Alabama level talent? I will have some of what you are having.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:23am

I didnt say recruit Alabama level talent. Our O isn’t at Alabama level talent

The_Cuss

8/14/22 2:14pm

Valid question. Maybe they have but injuries have hindered overall performance.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:15pm

Simple minds ask simple minded questions. Scholarships are not equally divided

Cougarbib

8/14/22 5:00pm

So is the offense “fixed” in your mind? When was it? If so, when is the Ds turn?

The_Cuss

8/14/22 7:54pm

2021 was an anomaly. Be in denial if U want. At least D and O have the correct

Cougarbib

8/14/22 8:08pm

Denial about what? Is the offense fixed or not according to your excuse?

The_Cuss

8/14/22 10:54pm

Denial about defense. Offense got all of the resources. Defense was fine other

Cougarbib

8/15/22 12:01am

Look at your example. Utah. Their offenses have struggled at times, but decent.

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:18am

Exactly. Kyle disadvantaged his offenses by disproportionate resources to D and

Cougarbib

8/15/22 1:30am

Why do you say stuff like “voices in my head”? Why so angry? Relax, it’s just a

The_Cuss

8/15/22 8:42am

Echo chamber!

Cougarbib

8/15/22 9:43am

RE: Echo chamber!

The_Cuss

8/15/22 9:59am

84% capacity in attendance was highest for the year. BYU fans are showing up

Bee Chunder

8/13/22 10:51pm

I will not entertain FB opinions from someone who named themselves after the

YOHONOMOTO

8/14/22 11:26am

Holding any team to 16 points is more than good enough...

canndyman

8/14/22 11:33am

No edge talent? Maybe the guy that's currently in his 8th recruiting cycle should address that?

mulletino

8/14/22 1:06pm

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canndyman

8/15/22 11:04am

Easier said than done, my guy!

canndyman

8/15/22 11:10am

So the offense can recruit non-LDS highly skilled and fast talent but the D cant

The_Cuss

8/15/22 11:42am

Should have left Allgeier at linebacker! Resources are skewed to the offense.

Cougarbib

8/15/22 12:14pm

That wasn't my question... Why can the O recruit non-LDS skill, but not the D?

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:37pm

U state that as fact even though it is not true. There is plenty of non lds

Cougarbib

8/15/22 12:46pm

Not according to Candyman, he said its really hard for the D to recruit those

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:52pm

And I am not sure why you keep bringing up Algeier.. He was a running back in HS

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:41pm

It demonstrates exactly. When Allgeier was buried 6th string RB, like usual, he

Cougarbib

8/15/22 12:53pm

Wow, if you want to view it that way go ahead. Done arguing this, its pointless.

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:55pm

No, I think they can potentially, but I think the offense faces...

canndyman

8/15/22 2:13pm

Clowns replying to you ignore recent defense recruiting success - ez for

Cougarbib

8/14/22 1:16pm

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