They didn’t struggle. They couldn’t get on the field.

We clearly took our foot off the gas and kept things pretty vanilla so we could finally get the Ute monkey off our back.

mulletino

8/13/22 4:40pm

Psychological pressure isn’t being accounted for.

ColdFusion1989

8/13/22 4:40pm

Not defending the defensive performance here, but we were up by 2 scores by

NOCAL_YFAN

8/13/22 4:43pm

21-3 at one point. Missing our 3 best receivers. The only really bad

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:05pm

Your example makes it even worse

chazen

8/13/22 7:21pm

Cougarbib be like

Dark Forest Green

8/13/22 4:46pm

Exactly!

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:06pm

Howabout this?

Blueto

8/13/22 4:46pm

Or this?

Blueto

8/13/22 4:50pm

you guys are amazingly loyal to tuiaki. i don’t get it

Kale

8/13/22 4:55pm

Or we think it clowny that so many are so whiny about Tuiaki in the offseason.

Benfica1

8/13/22 5:14pm

4 out of 6 years he has been above average, one year slightly below and one bad.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 5:21pm

No one should be including 2020 in any offensive or defensive numbers. We played

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:16pm

Then no one should include 2021 because of injuries.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:20pm

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The_ATL

8/13/22 7:42pm

Yep. But don’t tell the excuse makers

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:52pm

Fair critique but now you are moving the goal posts.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 8:44pm

Injuries which have been wildly exaggerated

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:21am

Yes. But, why did the BYU offense struggle with GA Southern. I will go with Jet

Cougarbib

8/14/22 8:59am

They didn’t struggle. They couldn’t get on the field.

BYU '80

8/14/22 9:02am

I don’t know. If we lost our best player on O would our O have struggled?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:15am

Yes. His name is Tyler Allgeier and we would have struggled, in 2022 the offense

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:42pm

Well then erase the offense numbers vs the same crap teams - and scratch the #2

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:08pm

Pretty sure he said throw out offensive and defensive numbers

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:22am

Nope, where are you getting that from?

ManicBlue

8/13/22 6:53pm

Crickets ... waiting on those stats. Which years were above average?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:21am

Ever heard of google?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:29am

RE: Ever heard of google?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:41am

Lol. What is your point? We were a independent team with an Honor Code and your

Blueto

8/14/22 7:18am

RE: Lol. What is your point? We were a independent team with an Honor Code and your

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:01am

It is sad that U don’t see that Sitake loaded the offense with resources after

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:49pm

Honestly this just proves my point that he isn’t that bad.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 8:11am

Great standard going into playing in one of if not the top offensive league

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:23am

Never said we should settle. Just that he isn’t the worst.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 9:30am

Has ANYONE ever said he was the worst? The point being is that BYU can be better.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:00am

If you do a search on CB for “tuiaki” and “worst” it brings up 1000’s of posts.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:20am

Why did we get better OCs when we looked for one? We're about to be in a P5 conference so

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:36am

Ok so you can’t think of anyone either. Good to know.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:45am

Seriously lame argument. If you really want a list, I'm sure it wouldn't take much to

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:58am

Couple things. We have only been a future P5 member for 11 months.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:23pm

No guts, no glory. Your motto?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:29pm

Bronco is a top defensive mind. One of the best IMO. Can’t count that to be

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:53pm

Those 50 or 60 'worse' DCs just might be better with BYU's resources too instead of on a G5 Sun Belt team.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 3:53pm

So you want BYU to hire someone who is statically worse than tuiaki but might

Cougzilla

8/14/22 4:00pm

Have you ever hired anyone? Obviously you don't just look at previous statistics. smh

ManicBlue

8/14/22 4:39pm

Yes, previous statistics aren’t irrelevant. Agreed. Good luck.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 5:37pm

RE: Yes, previous statistics aren’t irrelevant. Agreed. Good luck.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 9:35pm

Haha it’s all about who you know. Who do you know that would be good for DC?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 10:43pm

The offense does not have the exact constraints. Unless U call every

Cougarbib

8/14/22 1:02pm

Ignore the clowns and fools.

Cougarbib

8/14/22 1:00pm

Bird in hand better than an imaginary flock in the bush. U might want to go back

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:59pm

Sitake wouldn’t have gotten hired either. Grimes was a position coach for

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:57pm

Non sense. Do you want the guy Bronco liked - Howell - that fans hated back?

Cougarbib

8/14/22 12:51pm

Uh no. Not above average.

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:20am

Why is it a bad metric?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:47am

This. Too many whiners who whine too much

OldFogey

8/13/22 6:17pm

Why are you content with mediocre?

ManicBlue

8/13/22 10:27pm

You really want to know or just want to argue?

OldFogey

8/14/22 7:19am

Would I ask if I didn't really want to know? I don't understand it.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:02am

Here goes:

OldFogey

8/14/22 2:55pm

Great post.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:41pm

Agree!

Cougarbib

8/14/22 4:50pm

I finally found time to read your whole post and respond.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:36pm

Nice post, I agree.

The_Cuss

8/14/22 10:47pm

LoL compare that to his predecessor and to Hill. Now add his BYU years. Very

Cougarbib

8/14/22 11:50pm

Bro, I love your passion. Don't agree with some of the takes, but not here to

OldFogey

8/15/22 10:02am

You keep taking about how good Bronco was and then saying Tuiaki is bad vs P5s

Blueto

8/15/22 2:20pm

Multiple 10w seasons in a row isn’t Mediocre

Pretorian

8/14/22 7:36am

Despite the d. Not because of it and one against a horrid schedule

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:24am

Exactly right.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:03am

This is a very biased take. The defense played well in plenty of games where the

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:42am

Even going by your very narrow metrics, you're still wrong.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:06pm

I Honestly don’t understand your point here.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:25pm

Just pointing out that by your metric set for the offense, our defense still wasn't good enough

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:33pm

How many of those games that we weren’t good enough to win did we win?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:43pm

Not the point. We shouldn't have to rely on our offense to always win games.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:57pm

Sure in a perfect world both sides of the ball would be elite.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 1:15pm

I'm not asking for elite ... above average would be a nice start.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 3:47pm

What counts as above average? 30-40 ranking? What stats are most important?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:52pm

I'd be thrilled with above 40.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 4:40pm

62 or 63 is average FBS

Cougarbib

8/14/22 4:51pm

Ok. What stats are most important?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 5:38pm

I've posted plenty of stats. You ignore them every time.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:38pm

Well I’m dumb so tell me again please?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 10:45pm

RE: Well I’m dumb so tell me again please?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:49pm

Bcf is who I quoted and you said it was bad. What specific stats do you like?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:09pm

RE: Bcf is who I quoted and you said it was bad. What specific stats do you like?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:28pm

Ok I sincerely want to know what stats you like to look at. We may disagree on

Cougzilla

8/15/22 11:47am

Teams with garbage D cant win 10 games much less 10 games in back to back

Pretorian

8/14/22 5:16pm

Helps to have a top 15 offense in back to back yrs

ManicBlue

8/14/22 5:23pm

Nobody said the D did it without the O

Pretorian

8/14/22 6:11pm

Can't do it playing a full P5 schedule.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 9:49pm

Except they did

Pretorian

8/15/22 11:13am

There are about 4-5 posters that are completely blinded, maybe personal reasons

kotacoug

8/13/22 5:38pm

I agree 100%

Blueto

8/13/22 5:52pm

No one give a rip about him personally. If he was a good DC and developed a good

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:07pm

U would not know a good product if it crawled up………..and bit your………

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:11pm

Uh ya my wife who barely knows football can read Tuiaki’s defense. It’s

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:51pm

How can we trust her opinion. She married you!

Cougarbib

8/13/22 11:29pm

No those critical of him just look at numbers. Like 107th on third down d

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:24am

These types of posts aren't helpful and only make you sound like the flip side of the coin for the picture you falsely

mulletino

8/14/22 1:03pm

Actually there are 5 such people leading a chorus in the echo chamber where

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:10pm

Five? Maybe of those you haven’t ignored for disagreeing with you

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:26am

What a clown! I have not put anyone on ignore. Ever! Probably should. U and the

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:04am

Fact…PPP allowed by Tuiaki’s D shows it was marginal at best throughout the

kotacoug

8/13/22 5:37pm

False. PPP shows he has been at least an average DC.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 5:56pm

Throw out 2020 for both offense and defense… that was not a quality

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:15pm

Is it fair to throw out his best year because of schedule and not his worst year

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:20pm

The schedule was beyond pathetic. If it was even close to being a decent

kotacoug

8/13/22 6:33pm

This is a reasonable post. Is losing 8 starters to injuries normal?

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:43pm

They lost eight starters the same game? Many of those eight were lost for one or

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:27am

And many played injured. Change your diaper and cheer up!

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:05am

Without looking it up how many players can you name that started against USC?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:21am

After lookin into it, the style of d shouldn’t be a factor for injuries.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:55pm

And they rotate a lot.

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:26pm

Well if they could get off the field they wouldn’t have to rotate marginal subs

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:54pm

They were not marginal until the unusual injuries hit. BTW coaches on offense

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:56pm

Pili you mean? Because he was the only one that made a difference

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:29am

Clown post. Tell the DB with career ending injury vs AZ that he made no

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:08am

I’m not referencing plays per game. I’m talking plays per drive

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:52pm

Who cares. Smart coaches with a 21-3 lead late in 3rd qtr go conservative on

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:58pm

Sure but players are regularly substituted on long drives.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 8:44pm

If d is getting more injuries due to more reps - the offense owes a thank you

Cougarbib

8/13/22 9:12pm

If players are regularly substituted then we're also not playing our best players

ManicBlue

8/13/22 10:26pm

Except fresh players play better than tired players and it develops better depth

Cougarbib

8/13/22 11:32pm

Do you expect the best players to play every play of every game?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:20am

I expect them to play the majority of downs and to get off the field before double digit drives.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:46am

2021 was an anomaly. Do u realize that? Nearly everyone else realizes it.

Cougarbib

8/14/22 2:17am

If you are talking about last year I am fully aware that we were bad.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 9:31am

We haven't been good on defense since Bronco. Mediocre at best. Why are you defending that?

ManicBlue

8/14/22 11:04am

I would argue above average. I am defending it because people on cb say

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:22am

Even prior to being invited to the B12, BYU would be an attractive job for most G5 DCs

ManicBlue

8/14/22 12:36pm

What were our options when we fired detmer? I don’t remember an over abundance.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 12:45pm

Grimes was a pretty good option don't you think? In addition, we also had

ManicBlue

8/14/22 1:00pm

Exactly - BYU suddenly emptied the check book to solve the Detmer debacle. O got

Cougarbib

8/14/22 1:08pm

Yes, we had one good option that was a risk. He had never been an OC before.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 1:18pm

Roderick was a good replacement don't you think? Fesi might be one also who has OC experience.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 3:51pm

Great so throw out some defensive names on our staff or anywhere else that would

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:58pm

Weird I didn't realize that I got the HC job.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 4:41pm

U seem to think U know more than the head coach. I agree that u are not remotely

Cougarbib

8/14/22 4:57pm

Do you have to be the head coach to have an idea on who you want for the DC?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 5:40pm

How about someone who has actually been a DC somewhere before? That's a good start I'd think.

ManicBlue

8/14/22 10:37pm

Any names you would care to share?

Cougzilla

8/14/22 10:46pm

Do U pay any attention to hiring at BYU over the decades? See below:

Cougarbib

8/14/22 11:58pm

If Tuiaki had been given the budget to hire 3 or 4 assistants with previous DC

Cougarbib

8/14/22 4:55pm

Those who argue the injury excuse seem to make that argument

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:30am

Logic is a thing. Every play of every game is different than every game! Read

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:11am

U can’t toss out 2020 sched as 2 easy and dismiss 4 Top 10 OL opponents in

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:25pm

I agree that Tuiaki has not had great defenses but isn't top 35 in anything

BYU313

8/13/22 9:57pm

Bronco had outstanding defenses so why are you content with mediocre from Tuiaki?

ManicBlue

8/13/22 10:24pm

And yet the clowns in the echo chamber went after every DC he hired and

Cougarbib

8/13/22 11:34pm

J Hill was terrible and everyone pointed it out. Bronco

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:33am

Exactly. You know more than our last 2 head coaches about DC performance.

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:15am

Who recruits again? Can’t imagine why dl wouldn’t want to play

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:31am

Keep making things up. BM ran 3 DL and clowns and fools claimed that was

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:17am

Thank you for educating the clowns, fools, trolls, and skimmers spouting lies

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:15pm

People smarter than your one dimensional evaluation are evaluating Tuiaki. Keep

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:13pm

You act like your evaluation and analysis is good and that you’re the authority

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:34am

Actually I am going on Sitake’s authority!

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:18am

Average is 63. Even clowns know that.

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:41pm

See how emotionally racked your posts are. Irrational defense of Tuiaki

kotacoug

8/13/22 7:57pm

I call these people “MamaTu”. Their boy can do no wrong, but he’s the menace.

ColdFusion1989

8/13/22 8:07pm

And your hatred blinds you! At the risk of seeming racist - a few clowns on

Cougarbib

8/13/22 8:15pm

TMI. Didn’t ask and I don’t care. Continue the thread if you would like.

ColdFusion1989

8/13/22 9:05pm

Pot kettle. Exactly what did U disagree with. I do not know 1 coach on this team

Cougarbib

8/13/22 8:08pm

Don’t you know, his evaluation is the only one that matters

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:35am

2.3 yards per carry and opposing QBR of 55. It wasn't the best defensive performance ever but it got the job done.

Perseguir

8/13/22 4:49pm

I was at the game and the defensive performance was frustrating

Beggar

8/13/22 4:53pm

Same. I knew Arizona wasn’t going to be all that good, but I came out of that

bigbossbyu

8/13/22 5:15pm

Arizona had 27 1st down that game. Topped that once all season at Oregon.

bigbossbyu

8/13/22 5:26pm

That was classic Tuiaki, but his fans seem fine with that performance

vegas guey

8/13/22 5:52pm

PPP was only 1.45. That average the whole year would have been top 10.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 6:18pm

So what. Surprised U didn’t bring up other meaningless stats like TOP, unless

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:50pm

Hate 2 make excuses for the offense since the echo chamber usually handles that,

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:49pm

When you were at the game did u notice AZ had scored ZIP until a few seconds

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:46pm

I was at this game and the D didn't look good. That said – IT WAS LAST YEAR.

Benfica1

8/13/22 5:13pm

We’ve seen passive mediocrity for numerous years

vegas guey

8/13/22 5:54pm

The defense was good in that game. And the next 2 weeks as well. Even Kyle

Cougarbib

8/13/22 7:54pm

Wasn’t this the Arizona coaching staffs first game?

Cougzilla

8/13/22 5:17pm

Definitely, but 1 game of film was enough for SDSU to hold Arizona to 200 less

bigbossbyu

8/13/22 6:45pm

That’s fair. I don’t want to give off the impression that tuiaki is all world.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 7:13pm

U mentioned the score. Funny U want to completely dismiss that. Actually, the

Cougarbib

8/13/22 6:59pm

Can you just be happy with a 10 win season and show some optimism or must you

Pretorian

8/13/22 7:27pm

Don't confuse the CB zealots with facts.

Forzaitalia

8/13/22 7:37pm

The safety changed the game. We were crushing them on D until that point.

EternalOptimism

8/13/22 7:39pm

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The_ATL

8/13/22 7:45pm

LOL. The DC would play the way the HC wanted him to play which would be

Cougarbib

8/13/22 8:19pm

And if tuiaki had Alabama level talent we would not be complaining about him.

Cougzilla

8/13/22 8:45pm

So how long do we give him to recruit better players? Offense is doing it…

The_Cuss

8/13/22 9:58pm

U R Right. Should have left Allgeier at linebacker. He would have been great.

Cougarbib

8/13/22 11:38pm

Allgeier was a walk-on lb. That doesn’t answer for the lousy recruiting

BYU '80

8/14/22 8:36am

It answers 4 the talent being pushed over to offense.

Cougarbib

8/14/22 9:19am

The offense has Alabama level talent? I will have some of what you are having.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 11:23am

I didnt say recruit Alabama level talent. Our O isn’t at Alabama level talent

The_Cuss

8/14/22 2:14pm

Valid question. Maybe they have but injuries have hindered overall performance.

Cougzilla

8/14/22 3:15pm

Simple minds ask simple minded questions. Scholarships are not equally divided

Cougarbib

8/14/22 5:00pm

So is the offense “fixed” in your mind? When was it? If so, when is the Ds turn?

The_Cuss

8/14/22 7:54pm

2021 was an anomaly. Be in denial if U want. At least D and O have the correct

Cougarbib

8/14/22 8:08pm

Denial about what? Is the offense fixed or not according to your excuse?

The_Cuss

8/14/22 10:54pm

Denial about defense. Offense got all of the resources. Defense was fine other

Cougarbib

8/15/22 12:01am

Look at your example. Utah. Their offenses have struggled at times, but decent.

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:18am

Exactly. Kyle disadvantaged his offenses by disproportionate resources to D and

Cougarbib

8/15/22 1:30am

Why do you say stuff like “voices in my head”? Why so angry? Relax, it’s just a

The_Cuss

8/15/22 8:42am

Echo chamber!

Cougarbib

8/15/22 9:43am

RE: Echo chamber!

The_Cuss

8/15/22 9:59am

84% capacity in attendance was highest for the year. BYU fans are showing up

Bee Chunder

8/13/22 10:51pm

I will not entertain FB opinions from someone who named themselves after the

YOHONOMOTO

8/14/22 11:26am

Holding any team to 16 points is more than good enough...

canndyman

8/14/22 11:33am

No edge talent? Maybe the guy that's currently in his 8th recruiting cycle should address that?

mulletino

8/14/22 1:06pm

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canndyman

8/15/22 11:04am

Easier said than done, my guy!

canndyman

8/15/22 11:10am

So the offense can recruit non-LDS highly skilled and fast talent but the D cant

The_Cuss

8/15/22 11:42am

Should have left Allgeier at linebacker! Resources are skewed to the offense.

Cougarbib

8/15/22 12:14pm

That wasn't my question... Why can the O recruit non-LDS skill, but not the D?

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:37pm

U state that as fact even though it is not true. There is plenty of non lds

Cougarbib

8/15/22 12:46pm

Not according to Candyman, he said its really hard for the D to recruit those

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:52pm

And I am not sure why you keep bringing up Algeier.. He was a running back in HS

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:41pm

It demonstrates exactly. When Allgeier was buried 6th string RB, like usual, he

Cougarbib

8/15/22 12:53pm

Wow, if you want to view it that way go ahead. Done arguing this, its pointless.

The_Cuss

8/15/22 12:55pm

No, I think they can potentially, but I think the offense faces...

canndyman

8/15/22 2:13pm

Clowns replying to you ignore recent defense recruiting success - ez for

Cougarbib

8/14/22 1:16pm

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