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Cougarbib
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Coastal Carolina was really the game that pushed me into Tuiaki defender status
Blueto
6/22/22 2:32pm
What was time of possession?
TNT
6/22/22 2:34pm
Irrelevant. BYU got 11 offensive possessions. They averaged 1.5 points per
Blueto
6/22/22 2:37pm
ToP is never irrelevant, especially with BYU. There may be a reason the O wasn't
Borg
6/22/22 2:41pm
TOP is the single most overrated stat in football. This has been repeatedly debunked and people still cling to it
Indy Coug
6/22/22 3:10pm
Mike Leach agrees with you
Zoobieman
6/22/22 3:23pm
Mike Leach is the man regardless.
mvtoro
6/22/22 3:24pm
I’ve been trying to get exactly this across for a long time. TOP could be a means to some small list of potential ends,
mvtoro
6/22/22 3:28pm
TOP is often irrelevant
Future_Tacos
6/22/22 3:10pm
Good thoughts, Sadly the actual game was completely different.
Zoobieman
6/22/22 3:16pm
Interesting point. Thanks for looking that up.
mvtoro
6/22/22 3:29pm
Exactly. Made up. Fabricated. And then echoed by the echo chamber of
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:39am
His post did get 15 likes, mine only got 4 likes
Zoobieman
6/23/22 8:11am
We call that court of public opinion the echo chamber.
Cougarbib
6/23/22 11:53am
Or just "differences of opinion" where more people disagree with one pt of view
Borg
6/23/22 12:32pm
As Bronco pointed out, most football fans are clueless. Thus a few haters,
Cougarbib
6/23/22 12:58pm
While it is a difference of opinion. . . You have described an echo chamber
Zoobieman
6/23/22 1:51pm
RE: While it is a difference of opinion. . .
Borg
6/23/22 1:58pm
They kept our O on the field as many times as the national average... what??
Rat
6/22/22 5:33pm
‘BYU was out…’ scheduled that day
NYC and Japan
6/22/22 9:12pm
So the offense needs the D to change their diapers? Maybe the offense should
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:36am
Of course it's relevant in a game where BYU's elite offense couldn't seem to get in a rhythm.
mulletino
6/22/22 2:46pm
1 of those possessions was end of half. The other was end of game.
Beggar
6/22/22 3:05pm
The end of game possession ended at the 1. It started with a holding call. Coach
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:42am
RE: Irrelevant. BYU got 11 offensive possessions. They averaged 1.5 points per
ProvoRoots
6/22/22 4:25pm
Yes. It was. The offense sucked.
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:42am
2 of those possessions they had around 30 seconds
cougaman
6/22/22 6:36pm
RE: Irrelevant. BYU got 11 offensive possessions. They averaged 1.5 points per
imdocrob
6/22/22 10:14pm
I guess I'm confused
Blueto
6/22/22 10:41pm
RE: I guess I'm confused
imdocrob
6/23/22 4:52pm
Well. Their defense played the same level of opponents and BYU offense
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:44am
And how many possessions did BYU have relative to season average?
Gustav
6/22/22 2:37pm
Great question
TNT
6/22/22 2:49pm
Time of Possession was terrible...because BYU offense couldn't sustain a drive
krindorr
6/22/22 5:43pm
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cvd6262
6/22/22 2:34pm
That's why BYU scored 3 points in its final 6 possessions. . . Now I get it.
Zoobieman
6/22/22 2:41pm
This- CCU realized Byu was a big play offense- limit their time on the field
1984coug
6/22/22 2:41pm
Also didn't help that we scored a TD on the first play of the game, only to have it called back on a hold
thewaterboy
6/22/22 2:46pm
You just had to remind us. I had all but forgotten that play.
Big Daddy D
6/22/22 3:05pm
That and it may have been him that held on 1st play of the last drive.
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:54am
The offense playing poorly is a reflection on Tuiaki? This is the stuff I'm
Blueto
6/22/22 2:51pm
Both units failed. Tuiaki’s D fails more consistentlu than that offense. This is
kotacoug
6/22/22 3:03pm
Not that game. Defense far out performed offense that game especially considering opponent and circumstances.
mvtoro
6/22/22 3:05pm
The O sucked. The D sucked. When we needed the D to step up and make a stop they
kotacoug
6/22/22 8:16pm
D was not perfect. The O sucked. Worst performance of the season that day.
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:56am
Not that day!
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:55am
What field do you work in? Imagine being only given 1/3 resources to succeed
1984coug
6/22/22 3:27pm
Imagine failing with whatever resources you do have - why should you be given...
Eddie
6/22/22 3:32pm
*Getting* the ball is a resource. They had as many resources. *Keeping* the ball is up to you. In fact, your minutes of
mvtoro
6/22/22 3:41pm
It’s amazing that has to be explained to anyone, but here we are.
Abe Froman
6/22/22 7:49pm
Yes - no one is saying that the defense needed the offense to control the clock.
Eddie
6/22/22 3:28pm
Definitely more
mvtoro
6/22/22 3:42pm
LoL. The offense needed to give itself more TOP and Grimes play calling should
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:53am
That was coastals strategy going into the game
BYU '80
6/22/22 11:23pm
Except they didn't control the ball.
VenomFarmer
6/23/22 12:50am
LoL. If BYU D had no answer, 10 CCU possessions = 70 points. BYU Offense
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:47am
RE: Coastal Carolina was really the game that pushed me into Tuiaki defender
Reasonable1
6/22/22 2:35pm
I don't know how you could watch that game and walk away defending anyone.
Big Red Thunder
6/22/22 2:35pm
I would have liked to have defended Wilson on the final play of the first half.
Coach's Dad
6/22/22 2:55pm
Did you watch the UAB game too?
DavisCoCoug
6/22/22 2:36pm
You serious?? This game is what made me turn on Tuiaki.
CObluezone
6/22/22 2:36pm
The offense was equally atrocious that game
Corn Pop
6/22/22 3:00pm
Well - U just outed yourself.
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:58am
There was plenty of blame to go around for that one...
NOCAL_YFAN
6/22/22 2:37pm
Very accurate post
Zoobieman
6/22/22 2:59pm
And 7 frustrating drives where the offense could not stay on the field.
Cougarbib
6/23/22 3:00am
The offense was not good that game. But I'm going to let you in on a little
byubyu
6/22/22 2:37pm
Aye. It was almost like it was CCU's game plan....
Doogal McCougar
6/22/22 2:40pm
Expect USF and Baylor (among others) to use that same game plan this year
thewaterboy
6/22/22 2:42pm
Also, BYU's longest drives were 3:41 and 3:51 and both ended in punts.
byubyu
6/22/22 2:41pm
BYU averaged 1.54 points per drive. So you're saying they needed 13 drives to
Blueto
6/22/22 2:44pm
17, 13, 11. 94, 85, 51. 9:06, 5:54, 6:06. TD, TD, TD. But yay for holding them
byubyu
6/22/22 2:48pm
Here is the issue. When you play an option team and never take a lead they are
Blueto
6/22/22 3:03pm
BYU led at the half 14 - 13
Beggar
6/22/22 3:05pm
And scored 3 points on 6 drives in the second half. Ball game.
Blueto
6/22/22 3:07pm
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chilawcoug
6/22/22 3:25pm
Clown post. A 1 point half-time lead does not force CCU to throw the ball.
Cougarbib
6/23/22 3:05am
2 of those drives ended essentially in hail marys but cool stat.
mulletino
6/22/22 3:25pm
BYU led 7-6. BYU led 17-13.
byubyu
6/22/22 3:08pm
Except Costal wasn't an option team, they were an RPO team with the run option
byublue42
6/22/22 7:54pm
Now run the same comparison for the offense. Hint: embarrassing. CCU was
Cougarbib
6/23/22 3:09am
Bib did you not read what I said? I said the offense was bad, but the OP was
byublue42
6/23/22 8:07am
I read your post. Did you? Vs CCU, the offense was terrible. Worse than any
Cougarbib
6/23/22 11:59am
Did I read MY own post? That's got to be the funniest response I have heard
byublue42
6/23/22 1:35pm
U seem to struggle with precision - thus leading to your confusion and
Cougarbib
6/23/22 1:43pm
Haha, this is hilarious
byublue42
6/23/22 4:44pm
Well that leaves a uselessly wide array of meanings for it. So, I guess you
Cougarbib
6/23/22 7:37pm
Math help. 6 of 10 terrible drives by the offense is twice as bad as 3 terrible
Cougarbib
6/23/22 7:38pm
Nope you need to get over your love affair with Tuiaki
byublue42
6/23/22 11:11pm
The defense was the weak point of the team in 2021. I have not seen anyone deny
Cougarbib
6/24/22 5:43am
Points allowed per possession! That’s the key data point
kotacoug
6/22/22 2:42pm
Here’s your answer
Tuskaloosa Cougar
6/22/22 4:48pm
Remind me your excuse why the offense could not sustain drives vs a D that
Cougarbib
6/23/22 3:02am
Congrats on the worst take of 2022! Exciting!
OMIllionaire
6/22/22 2:39pm
Your own, personal bias has made you blind if you truly believe the offense
Corn Pop
6/22/22 2:52pm
Haha yup. He basically said, "No one blamed the offense, so I'm going to
byubyu
6/22/22 3:01pm
Haha nope. I'm linking a thread that is talking about Tuiaki. Coastal is brought
Blueto
6/22/22 3:05pm
That's because people like you continue to think this is good defense:
byubyu
6/22/22 3:08pm
Wrong.
Cougarbib
6/23/22 3:10am
Tuiaki is FANTASTIC
TeeKaa
6/22/22 2:59pm
17, 11, 13...
Beggar
6/22/22 3:04pm
That loss was on the offense. Allgeier fumble and Romney drop on 4th down.
Jimmerfan32
6/22/22 3:05pm
And wrong way Jackson and wasted timeouts, and penalties.
Cougarbib
6/23/22 3:11am
15 play drives over and over - end of story - end of game loss
AFitisemanu
6/22/22 3:05pm
Disagree completely
ProvoRoots
6/22/22 3:31pm
So, your argument that the defense was good was that they held the opponent to
here's to hoping
6/22/22 4:01pm
U act like 11 possessions is a lot, & 2 of them with 40 seconds left in half
viper
6/22/22 4:07pm
One game and you're sold? Wow
ManicBlue
6/22/22 4:26pm
I don't think it was one game. . .it was THAT game that pushed him over the edge
Zoobieman
6/22/22 5:54pm
Even if that WAS a good defensive performance (it wasn't), you don't take ...
Bossk82
6/22/22 4:43pm
I'm saying that game pushed me into defending him because the scapegoating
Blueto
6/22/22 4:50pm
You guys aren’t getting it. He’s not saying the game made him think Tuiaki is great. It showed him that CB is much less
mvtoro
6/22/22 4:58pm
My opinion of Tuiaki and his defense
ManicBlue
6/22/22 5:09pm
Good opinion.
boctabulous
6/22/22 5:25pm
I can buy all that. I can't buy that Tuiaki is the only problem ever and the direct cause of every BYU loss
krindorr
6/22/22 5:57pm
Absolutely agree. The offense and special teams all played a big role in the Boise St loss last year.
ManicBlue
6/22/22 6:18pm
So reverse psychology works great on this poster i guess?
boctabulous
6/22/22 5:24pm
You guess wrong. And you still don’t understand. That’s ok. 👍🏻
mvtoro
6/22/22 8:42pm
This is exactly where I am. I don't think Tuiaki's good, but the criticism/scapegoating is over the top
krindorr
6/22/22 5:56pm
A defense that doesn't lose and doesn't win games
akbarishiwatsu
6/22/22 5:00pm
Let's look at Arizona St 2021
krindorr
6/22/22 5:59pm
Defense looked really good against Utah last year and pretty good against Az st.
here's to hoping
6/22/22 9:21pm
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chilawcoug
6/22/22 10:26pm
Great idea. Use an extremely small sample size to draw a conclusion.
boctabulous
6/22/22 5:21pm
but but but time of possesion
Rat
6/22/22 5:32pm
You are a defender of Tuiaki because the O laid 1 egg that year? Cool story
stansburycoug
6/22/22 5:49pm
Pattern started in 2016 . . .it was THAT game that pushed him over the edge
Zoobieman
6/22/22 6:06pm
This has to be a very sick joke
HairyCougar
6/22/22 6:46pm
I think the issue is that offenses and defenses need to complement each other...
icecougar
6/22/22 7:21pm
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The_ATL
6/22/22 7:34pm
Very solid Yahtzee post here. At least 3 in every category. Well done.
ForzaPuma
6/22/22 11:28pm
RE: Very solid Yahtzee post here. At least 3 in every category. Well done.
Blueto
6/22/22 11:59pm
That plus wasted time outs and a holding penalty on that last drive and wrong
Cougarbib
6/23/22 2:33am
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