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Jan 16, 2021
12:45:18pm

kansascougar All-American

You could argue it’s leadership and HR 101 not to talk about religion and

Ethnicity especially in her position and the context it happened.

I have no problem he was not hired. The guy they hired was more qualified IMO.

Bottom line—don’t bring up race or religion in situation like that and if you are her you don’t even touch it if it is brought up by others. You change the subject and move on. Blindsided? 🤦‍♂️

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USU on Maile situation

the_byu_flash

1/15/21 2:34pm

Reads like the U of U police department handled the investigation for USU

1/15/21 2:37pm

2 key words: 'expressly stated'.

John Doe

1/15/21 2:38pm

<< Deleted >>

JimmyZ

1/15/21 3:05pm

RE: USU on Maile situation

Little Mac

1/15/21 2:40pm

Oh brother. Just release what was said already.

stenso

1/15/21 2:42pm

If there was nothing wrong with what she said, she would have said it already

cougfan03

1/15/21 2:51pm

At least they would claim such... my bet is that it was taken as was meant

Saxa

1/15/21 4:05pm

My understanding is that no one recorded it. Which is strange in itself.

John Doe

1/15/21 7:03pm

So, USU investigated its self and everything’s fine. Got it.

Lifi

1/15/21 2:43pm

I think it was Ray Quinney & Nebeker that did the independent investigation.

neboutefan

1/15/21 2:48pm

Two separate law firms did investigations. 1 for USU trustees. 1 for state BOE.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 2:51pm

They used outside legal firms, as schools do in these situation.

Everyman

1/15/21 2:50pm

And the other state schools have their back.

John Doe

1/15/21 3:00pm

So intent matters now? That’s new.

RalphWiggam

1/15/21 2:44pm

Wonder when the report will be made public.

kansascougar

1/15/21 2:45pm

RE: Wonder when the report will be made public.

GeoAg

1/15/21 4:01pm

"Primary concern. . ." also is a problem

RenoCoug

1/15/21 2:46pm

If his religion or ethnicity were even discussed or mentioned its a problem.

kansascougar

1/15/21 2:49pm

Her husband is Hawaiian. I doubt she is biased towards Polynesians.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 5:46pm

You’re missing the point. Those topics are off limits. Period.

kansascougar

1/15/21 6:28pm

And many of the players don't say otherwise. Read the detailed report. She is

Cougarbib

1/15/21 8:55pm

So did I. You don’t know what racist is. Stop

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:15pm

Do you know them?

1/15/21 7:33pm

No. But I can read. Read every detail of the detailed report. I do not know any

Cougarbib

1/15/21 8:58pm

Where did you read her husband is Hawaiian?

1/15/21 9:09pm

In the details of the detailed report.

Cougarbib

1/16/21 9:38pm

She could be depending on what island. Lots of ill feelings towards one group

1/15/21 7:49pm

But not generalized ill feelings toward all polys. BTW, I lived in Hawaii for

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:06pm

Haha “She never explicitly said it was the PRIMARY reason he wasn’t hired”

califcougar

1/15/21 2:50pm

It wasn't. His lack of qualifications to be HC are why he was not hired. He may

Cougarbib

1/15/21 2:56pm

Agreed. But his religion and ethnicity should have never been brought up

kansascougar

1/15/21 3:02pm

I am betting that players brought it up as a reason he should be hired and

Cougarbib

1/15/21 5:00pm

You should stop betting. Too many unknowns.

kansascougar

1/15/21 6:29pm

Read the detailed report. Every detail.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:08pm

I did. Not racist. At all

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:16pm

No one on here is saying any different, but according to multiple players she

1/15/21 7:50pm

Read every detail of the detailed report.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:09pm

We are all now dumber for what we just read! May God have mercy on our souls.

buckeyeod

1/15/21 2:52pm

Bad look Ray Quinney. As a lawyer I’m embarrassed by the wording.

kansascougar

1/15/21 2:53pm

As a lawyer, you should read the entire report before calling anyone out. And

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:27pm

Edit...bad look Stoel as well

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:32pm

So the athletes were too dumb to understand what the school president meant?

DeekLyfter

1/15/21 2:53pm

Well she is resigning. Good riddance.

Genghis Spreads

1/15/21 2:55pm

Are U sure? Emphasis on U. U president just resigned to take another job.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 2:58pm

My bad. They look the same.

Genghis Spreads

1/15/21 6:38pm

I'm guessing she'll be surprised to learn she is resigning.

neboutefan

1/15/21 3:17pm

So they pay a law firm to do an independent investigation and then pay the law

Mountain Rat

1/15/21 2:57pm

2 words: rug. washed.

Bluforever

1/15/21 2:59pm

The whole thing stemmed from Maile’s 3 pillars of recruiting he submitted. It’s why Cockett even talked about it.

RdF3

1/15/21 2:59pm

Nice summary. They should have hired you to write the report. That makes sense.

buckeyeod

1/15/21 3:27pm

Irony. Maile had a racist recruiting strategy. Where is the outrage.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 5:02pm

Proof?

Bullrider

1/15/21 6:55pm

Read every detail of the report. It is in there.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:14pm

Stop. Seriously. Racist? Narrow strategy? Sure. Likely unsuccessful strategy?

kansascougar

1/15/21 7:11pm

Focusing on Polynesian, local, and LDS as 3 pillars of recruiting is not racist?

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:13pm

Oh boy.....the focus wasn’t because he was racist. Geez. He thinks that’s who

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:18pm

Since we are all quibbling about words - you might want to read his words. They

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:21pm

Do you really think a D-1 coach would do that? He’s not dumb. He knows he

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:26pm

Just going to give them preferential treatment. He wrote the words. You want to

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:31pm

That’s not the argument. You used the word racist. Unfounded claim.

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:34pm

Preferential treatment based on race is racist.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:42pm

Member/Non-member has nothing to do with race. RM/Non-RMs has nothing to do

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:53pm

And yet you claim the undocumented claims of what she said were racist and

Cougarbib

1/15/21 10:05pm

I said racist? Nope. Said she never should have brought up his ethnicity or

kansascougar

1/15/21 10:18pm

The players brought it up. And it is speculation what she said in response. Yet

Cougarbib

1/16/21 2:39am

She says the players brought it up. Hartwell doesn’t recall if she brought it

kansascougar

1/16/21 9:00am

Not 1 player said they did not bring it up and common sense would tell you they

Cougarbib

1/16/21 12:27pm

Isn’t he the assistant head coach? Just like Ed Lamb at BYU

1/16/21 12:29pm

Yes. He has a token title like Ed Lamb. At least

Cougarbib

1/16/21 12:37pm

You have no idea what youre talking about if you think Lamb has a token title

1/16/21 12:41pm

Time will tell, but the moron beat Maile, Lamb, Grimes, & many other candidates

Cougarbib

1/16/21 3:59pm

Never said that coach was a moron.

1/16/21 4:17pm

Based on his record, he probably would have bounced back from a bad year in the

Cougarbib

1/16/21 9:28pm

I don’t recall listing any names at all. The program has fallen a lot on his

1/16/21 9:31pm

Freeze, Mahlzahn, and Harsin like they are a measuring stick he has not lived

Cougarbib

1/16/21 9:41pm

Those were the seasons prior to him getting the job. It’s been a great launching

1/16/21 9:43pm

I would hardly call that down the toilet. I am not going to judge him but Covid

Cougarbib

1/16/21 9:50pm

They went from consistent conference champs to middle of the pack to 4-7

1/16/21 9:54pm

Looks like he won more conference championships than any of the other 3.

Cougarbib

1/16/21 10:04pm

Nick Saban

1/16/21 10:08pm

Typo. Fixed.

Cougarbib

1/16/21 11:34pm

And notice. Lamb was not picked for USU HC either. Nor was Grimes.

Cougarbib

1/16/21 12:39pm

What does that have to do with anything? You are misrepresenting reality

1/16/21 12:42pm

You could argue it’s leadership and HR 101 not to talk about religion and

kansascougar

1/16/21 12:45pm

You misunderstood what all 95 of you expressly heard

BYU Grounds

1/15/21 3:10pm

Secondary concern makes it ok.

1/15/21 3:12pm

This statement is simply to help protect USU from litigation.

TempeCoug

1/15/21 3:25pm

So in other words, she said she was concerned about his religion and culture but did so to promote a discussion?

NihonCougar

1/15/21 3:50pm

Keep making stuff up.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 5:03pm

RE: Keep making stuff up.

ParentingNotForSissy

1/15/21 6:27pm

It is in the detailed report. Read every detail.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:15pm

I’m just reading directly from the statement.

NihonCougar

1/15/21 9:16pm

USU to the players: Who you gonna believe?

Little Mac

1/15/21 5:23pm

<< Deleted >>

1/15/21 6:23pm

If he were in the lgbt community and comments were about that would it be

Coug Man in Florida

1/15/21 7:08pm

They got the MSM to help them say what they really meant to say.

1/15/21 7:46pm

So, her intent wasn't conveyed in the words she actually said to the players.

cosmohio

1/15/21 8:11pm

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