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Nov 29, 2023
4:31:00pm

CasualFan All-American

We are already in P2 world

That isn’t a “tomorrow” thing.

FSU and Clemson leaving the ACC will be the epilog.

The P2 era starts next year when Texas OU USC UCLA UW and UO join the P2.

And get ready for the SEC and B1G to be referred to by a separate distinction next year (whether it is P2 or some other name).

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CasualFan

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Here's the big concern for the Big 12 moving forward

krindorr Truly Addicted User

11/29/23 2:46pm

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NumbersGuy

11/29/23 2:48pm

Utah had good numbers because of their opponents

mudpupper

11/29/23 2:49pm

I was just going to say this...

FulhamUte

11/29/23 2:54pm

This, the new B12 doesn't have any teams that are a national draw. Ratings will

mudpupper

11/29/23 2:57pm

Utah-BYU will probably be the highest viewed game next year.

Lance71

11/29/23 3:00pm

Let's just hope it's a decent window and network...

FulhamUte

11/29/23 3:01pm

The best thing for the B12 is Colorado, BYU, and Utah to all be competitive.

DubuMfalme

11/29/23 3:03pm

Partially true... But the issue is that's true for everyone

krindorr

11/29/23 3:18pm

Sorry to be stickler, but non-con cause big difference here between BYU and Utah

CLCougar

11/30/23 6:09am

Baylor and Weber weren't rated so drew none, and yes Utah/Florida drew more than BYU/Arkansas, but the main point is ...

krindorr

11/30/23 6:54am

Valid points. I'll be curious to see how viewership varies between BYU and Utah against common opponents. I

CLCougar

11/30/23 8:31am

Yeah, it honestly wouldn't surprise me to have BYU ahead of Utah or vice versa

krindorr

11/30/23 8:36am

Do u really need a calculator to realize that B1G and SEC viewership will dwarf

Cougarbib

11/30/23 1:24pm

The same can be said for BYU

Big-Q

11/29/23 7:13pm

Pac 12 numbers were helped by the number of ranked teams this year. Oregon St and Washington St will be nowhere near

ManicBlue

11/29/23 2:52pm

I'm curious as to what the TCU and Kansas St viewership numbers were last year.

jreid191

11/29/23 2:56pm

A whopping 432,000....

FulhamUte

11/29/23 3:00pm

I was asking about those teams individually for the 2022 season, not their

jreid191

11/29/23 3:16pm

The '22 TCU-Kansas State CCG had 9.4M viewers. Compared to 10.8 for SEC and 10.7

Doogal McCougar

11/29/23 4:09pm

I mean, here are Utah's highest viewership games...

FulhamUte

11/29/23 3:08pm

K-State had 12M last year, TCU had 26M

krindorr

11/29/23 4:50pm

I’d expect byu/utah to be about the same within the first 5 years of XII

GlutealGuy

11/29/23 2:56pm

Yup, the Big 12 is ... Basically the old MWC

krindorr

11/29/23 3:20pm

This is why we weren’t excited about the move. Had to do it, but no

CallSign

11/29/23 3:27pm

It's also why it made a lot of sense to get Utah

krindorr

11/29/23 3:35pm

This is the big elephant in the room nobody is talking about. It's why 3-4 more

777

11/29/23 3:29pm

Which is why it's crucial that BYU figures out the on field problems quick

GlutealGuy

11/29/23 3:31pm

100%. If teams don't get into the B1G/SEC soon, they're going to be left behind

krindorr

11/29/23 3:36pm

This is why I don't blame Kwhitt and Utah for their attitude towards the XII

GlutealGuy

11/29/23 3:38pm

100%, it's definitely gauche to so blatantly campaign....but it also worked out for Oregon and Washington

krindorr

11/29/23 3:41pm

Campaigning doesn’t work.

DirtyWater

11/29/23 8:45pm

If you’re not P2, you’re Tier 2…coming soon

CallSign

11/29/23 3:44pm

What’s not to say a P1. The Sec and B10 have plenty of dead weight members.

Magneto

11/29/23 5:51pm

We are already in P2 world

CasualFan

11/29/23 4:31pm

I think we're already there, but it's not solidified yet

krindorr

11/29/23 4:47pm

No way, go do the research of the old MWC and I’m sure the gap isn’t close

FMOCIE

11/30/23 6:02am

Let's do some back of the envelope math here

krindorr

11/30/23 7:05am

Your second point is the key one. Sure, the big 2 are separating themselves but

FMOCIE

11/30/23 2:08pm

Those data are useless without corrections

CasualFan

11/29/23 3:11pm

Luckily, I already made those adjustments

krindorr

11/29/23 3:23pm

Cool. Well done!

CasualFan

11/29/23 3:32pm

New Big 12 is a very watered down market for viewership. It is what it is.

777

11/29/23 3:26pm

This was all known when the B12 media deal was cut. Not the exact numbers, but

LifeLongLakerFan

11/29/23 3:39pm

This proves once again it would have been better inviting OSU and WSU instead of

OnEMoReTrY

11/29/23 3:54pm

No, B12 needs brands. Utah is a bigger brand than both. BTW Wazzu had lower

CallSign

11/29/23 4:02pm

If you go over the last 5 years to get a a better, more stable metric, here's the PAC/XII ranks

krindorr

11/29/23 4:20pm

For context, Alabama is #1 in VScore with 5.42M, Ohio St is #2 at 5.21M

krindorr

11/29/23 4:22pm

FYI, Ohio St vs Michigan drew over 19M viewers in that single game

krindorr

11/29/23 4:51pm

The Big 12 is NOT a power conference

CallingDingo

11/29/23 6:23pm

I don't buy it. No source listed. Are you telling me Utah has more viewers

rockyrd

11/29/23 6:41pm

Everything is from sportsmediawatch

krindorr

11/29/23 7:41pm

Impressed BYU is that high given the quality of football played

Chapalapticus

11/29/23 7:27pm

Three games were the main ones - Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St

krindorr

11/29/23 7:50pm

There is a reason why 6 of those teams got P2 call ups. Why is this list a

Cougarbib

11/29/23 8:45pm

The SEC and B1G got larger, with schools that draw bigger than B12, so viewers

DirtyWater

11/29/23 8:51pm

I find the data encouraging

Hill4Heisman

11/29/23 8:58pm

Great for BYU to be one of the better brands/draws...not so good for the Big 12 if biggest draws are BYU, Utah, TCU

krindorr

11/29/23 9:37pm

And how do u propose that we grow that pond that we are now in?

Cougarbib

11/29/23 10:20pm

Part of the reason BYU's numbers were down had to do with the quality of the

11/29/23 10:18pm

How does the Big 12 compare to ACC numbers?

Bald Eagle

11/29/23 10:51pm

It does not matter. Eventually ACC will also get cherry picked.

Cougarbib

11/29/23 10:55pm

Honestly, I think it's stronger than the ACC

krindorr

11/30/23 12:07am

How bout a future Big 12 ACC team list. Get rid of future SEC, B1G, and PAC 2

Cougarbib

11/30/23 12:42am

Thanks for pulling that together. I think that is the competition for the Big12

Bald Eagle

11/30/23 7:42am

It's a lot like the recent MWC/AAC competition for the best G5 conference

krindorr

11/30/23 8:38am

Surprised by UCLA's numbers being so low.

coolblue

11/30/23 6:07am

There's a couple supposedly elite schools that consistently draw way worse than expected

krindorr

11/30/23 7:07am

I sure wish we took one of OSU or WASSU over asu

Sircumference

11/30/23 8:21am

If you look at the extended 5 year numbers, Oregon St is pretty terrible

krindorr

11/30/23 8:41am

Every time big teams leave a conference it leaves a power vacuum. Somebody.

canofpicante

12/2/23 8:06am

For those worried about outliers driving this, just take the median viewership.

Karl Poppin

12/2/23 10:48am

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