This is the way. I think some people forget the Gary Crowton era.

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Mar 30, 2025
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What’s the right balance of LDS kids and elite talent?

TarCoug

Mar 30, 2:47pm

I want every 4-5 star LDS kid playing for BYU and surround them with 4-5 star non LDS athletes

JohnnyComeLately

Mar 30, 2:48pm

There's over 150 four and five stars in this class alone

tacallaway

Mar 30, 4:15pm

Shoot for 2 top 100 per class, plus the top couple of LDS HS players...

Les IsMore

Mar 30, 6:22pm

Get the best athletes you can get and will live the HC. Who cares if they’re LDS

Magneto

Mar 30, 2:50pm

This^^^

arizonacougarfan

Mar 30, 2:56pm

BYU is a missionary tool. Ty Detmer wasn’t LDS. Jimmer wasn’t active. Now look

Magneto

Mar 30, 3:10pm

... And were surrounded by, and influenced by their less athletically gifted active, RM, LDS teammates.

Black Diamond Bay

Mar 30, 3:12pm

This! You've gotta have a core of LDS players to maintain identity/culture

runnincoug

Mar 30, 6:24pm

Tom Holmoe wasn’t LDS!

andrewg3

Mar 30, 5:07pm

Since when was Jimmer not active before coming to byu? First I’ve heard of that

ColonelMustard

Mar 30, 9:12pm

That won’t fly with the powers that be and it wouldn’t work.

kansascougar

Mar 30, 3:22pm

Best lds and legacy kids are a required target

niqmadu

Mar 30, 3:27pm

We are going to get the most interest from LDS kids so we probably should skew.

johnnybyu

Mar 30, 3:28pm

I wonder if we really need some LDS players to help the non-LDS guys

thewaterboy

Mar 30, 3:39pm

RE: I wonder if we really need some LDS players to help the non-LDS guys

jimmything

Mar 30, 6:05pm

I want kids like Demin and Mag and Keita. Get those kinda

theonick

Mar 30, 4:35pm

If we land the best 5 LDS kids that leaves 10 spots for elite non LDS.

KayakCoug

Mar 30, 2:50pm

I like this approach

TarCoug

Mar 30, 3:00pm

Only if everyone is a one & done and with no returnees from the prior season.

Les IsMore

Mar 30, 6:26pm

If we can clean up on top LDS prospects this shouldn’t be a problem

ldssdl

Mar 30, 2:50pm

This. Dominate with the top LDS, BYU fits, and we’re good

cajuncoug

Mar 30, 3:57pm

Get the highly rated LDS kids, there is at least one per class, and pair them

arizonacougarfan

Mar 30, 2:51pm

My guess it is shifts to 30/70 LDS/otherwise, with fewer locals. More 4/5* LDS

seacougar

Mar 30, 2:53pm

Can you imagine having a bunch of high level guys like Egor who loves BYU

JohnnyC

Mar 30, 2:54pm

Don’t care if they’re “local” but getting top LDS players should always be a priority.

Soupie

Mar 30, 2:55pm

Think about why Egor loves byu. It’s largely due to trev and Trey

Veep

Mar 30, 4:27pm

And maybe Delaney…

UMWolverine

Mar 30, 8:26pm

I don't care about the mix as long as they represent the principles of BYU

BluebloodOR

Mar 30, 3:00pm

This is why I think BYU should go after private Christian school kids,

Polecat

Mar 30, 4:36pm

Like what is happening with Jake…..building bridges with the Jewish community.

JohnnyC

Mar 30, 4:42pm

Exactly! A colleague of mine who openly jokes about disliking BYU approached

Polecat

Mar 30, 5:04pm

I think you need 3-4 LDS kids, 3-4 outwardly religious kids (e.g. Fouss), then

runnincoug

Mar 30, 3:02pm

This is the way. I think some people forget the Gary Crowton era.

Submariner

Mar 30, 3:09pm

Crowton got in trouble by recruiting non-LDS kids who didn’t live the Honor Code

75Coug

Mar 30, 3:55pm

Which is why you need to maintain a strong locker room culture with at least 3-4

Submariner

Mar 30, 4:35pm

** Non-LDS kids who didn't know there was such a thing as the honor code.

Soupie

Mar 30, 4:36pm

Thanks for making the point. Each one of those kids signed the honor code, they

Submariner

Mar 30, 5:13pm

😄 They sign several things but the HC was not pointed out or explained.

Soupie

Mar 30, 6:40pm

Fear mongering and false rumors!

theonick

Mar 30, 4:40pm

They didn’t just not live the HC. They broke the law.

Boring

Mar 30, 6:12pm

I think BYU will end up going after kids that are at least 90 on the composite

pittsburghcoug

Mar 30, 3:07pm

I hear a lot of fans say they don’t care if the players are LDS, but not having LDS players on a team would completely

Nuke

Mar 30, 3:08pm

As many as we need for a natty

HimmerFredette

Mar 30, 3:10pm

Sounds very DEI up in here all the sudden

DodgerCoug

Mar 30, 3:17pm

Yes and no. We are going to get majority of interest from LDS players so we sho

johnnybyu

Mar 30, 3:26pm

I think we need to be 60-40 No reason to round out the bench with non-LDS

johnnybyu

Mar 30, 3:27pm

Yep! All the non-scholie kids for sure!

theonick

Mar 30, 4:41pm

I personally don't care, but we should have first dibs on all the best LDS kids.

LSUcougar92

Mar 30, 5:36pm

Local kids or LDS kids? Only 36% of the student body is from Utah

Cooouuugs

Mar 30, 6:12pm

Whatever the mix is to win it all.

sah22

Mar 30, 7:33pm

50/50 is my preference/comfort level. With all the non LDS talent we had on

WillsPitStop

Mar 30, 8:38pm

Why do we care what their religion is? Seems like religious bigotry to me.

chet

Mar 30, 8:39pm

I don’t think anyone cares what religion anyone is, but it does stand to reason that having teammates who are members of

UMWolverine

Mar 30, 8:52pm

The whole premise of the post of having the right number of lds and non lds

chet

Mar 30, 9:34pm

The OP talks about the right “balance” and the need to continue to have a “mix” of LDS and non LDS players. Is he/she

UMWolverine

Mar 31, 6:56am

Yes

chet

Mar 31, 8:02am

Okay

UMWolverine

Mar 31, 8:07am

He is advocating for religious discrimination.

chet

Mar 31, 10:26am

Okay

UMWolverine

Mar 31, 10:42am

I played football in 1970 and lived in John hall

cougarchill

Mar 30, 8:45pm

Are those mutually exclusive?

CoolB

Mar 30, 9:07pm

What about the balance for fans? 99/1? 90/10?

Orpington

Mar 30, 9:32pm

I don’t believe there should be quotas (too many stars or too many LDS kids)

44C

Mar 30, 9:36pm

Amen. The whole premise of this post is discriminatory and smacks of affirmative

chet

Mar 30, 9:42pm

Not sure why you and many others specify “local”. I don’t think any preference

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