That very well may be true...

Dec 2, 2024
2:16:15pm

canndyman Starter

BUT after watching Holker leave, and completely light the world on fire at CSU, I tend tend to believe it may be a system issue vs. a quality of player issue.

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canndyman

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Time

Bowers in the portal

Knee Brace .5 Deviation Thunder

Dec 2, 1:12pm

Grammar like that makes me 95% sure he’s heading to ASU.

The Y's Insider

Dec 2, 1:13pm

That's cute.

VenomFarmer

Dec 2, 4:55pm

Not surprising with how little use TEs were being used.

byuluvr

Dec 2, 1:13pm

I’m frankly amazed we can recruit any TE’s.

Bluforever

Dec 2, 1:16pm

I think they were used, but they just weren't that great.

Jeffacka

Dec 2, 1:17pm

Worst preforming group on the team by a wide margin.

Rise Against

Dec 2, 1:18pm

What could be the cause of that?

runningryan

Dec 2, 2:28pm

Poor recruiting and development from Steve Clark?

Rise Against

Dec 2, 3:13pm

Agree, but as you pointed out - it comes back to coaching

runningryan

Dec 2, 3:16pm

Just like Holker was "a bad TE" 64 receptions later after leaving Arods awful

Das_Countach

Dec 2, 3:44pm

Sophomore Isaac Rex would disagree with you and Holker quit on the team the day after he was the most targeted

TheLoneCougar

Dec 2, 4:58pm

...I highly doubt his decision to leave was made due to a single game

Das_Countach

Dec 2, 5:05pm

Just like pretty much every tight end...again, Sophomore Rex disagrees with you.

TheLoneCougar

Dec 2, 5:14pm

I think you mean "RS Frosh" Rex (2020 the year he had 12TD catches under Grimes)

Das_Countach

9:32am

Where half of his snaps came with him lined up at WR

molodyets

Dec 2, 6:09pm

Only for blocking. It has been this way for a while.

FanofBYU

Dec 2, 4:49pm

More accurately, he couldn't break through the depth chart above him

kccougar

Dec 2, 1:18pm

It’s a glaring problem year after year

bigjohn

Dec 2, 2:02pm

Name those opportunities if there are "plenty"

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:10pm

Arod is clueless when it comes to effectively using TE's

Das_Countach

Dec 2, 3:46pm

It seems this is true. They are so rarely a weapon, even when we consistently

jaba166

Dec 2, 8:39pm

It is very frustrating to see how little focus Arod puts on them in his system

Das_Countach

Dec 2, 9:12pm

“Almost every year” we’ve had 2 in the last 2 years but zero the 8+ years before

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 10:28pm

He obviously doesn’t feel like he’ll play next year

deliciousmocha

Dec 2, 1:14pm

We are losing everybody there. Swanson (mission) Hill and Ta'ase are seniors.

Corn

Dec 2, 1:18pm

I think he just needs more time. Dang

Unibro

Dec 2, 1:15pm

It’s more than that.

The Y's Insider

Dec 2, 1:17pm

Ugh, ridiculous

FiveTen-BuckEighty

Dec 2, 1:19pm

It's not ridiculous. It's just football. Some guys pan out. Others don't.

kccougar

Dec 2, 1:19pm

Yup, taking personal offense at a young man's choice on what he wants to do is not a good waste of emotions.

CSoul

Dec 2, 1:24pm

Sorry, it's just that TE is a very sore spot for me

FiveTen-BuckEighty

Dec 2, 1:26pm

Hill had so many drops this year including a bad one against Houston

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 1:34pm

Hill’s highlight for the year was recovering the fumble against Houston

stoils

Dec 2, 3:37pm

he should switch positions. he will play more as a guard than TE.

molodyets

Dec 2, 1:25pm

Lol “Thank you Heavenly Father! I am entering the portal” that’s a funny way to

palangi

Dec 2, 1:16pm

My favorite line for people in Utah leaving their job as the trump card. "We just were inspired to do this"

CSoul

Dec 2, 1:18pm

Agree but Bowers doesn't do that here. Just expresses gratitude.

Unibro

Dec 2, 1:20pm

Yeh, I should have qualified it as I don't know what Brock is saying here or trying to pick on him. Just reminds me

CSoul

Dec 2, 1:22pm

*Jackson

Unibro

Dec 2, 8:43pm

It sounds like you get busted up quite easily

stoils

Dec 2, 9:01pm

If he's not creatively mocking the traditional gratitude lingo, his humor IQ is no higher than his grammar IQ.

SinkingQuffa

3:12am

Had a situation moving back from living overseas where we could have gone to

indocoug

Dec 2, 1:39pm

I don't think it's right to use it in a conversation in most professional settings, especially when

CSoul

Dec 2, 2:06pm

I've been a "We don't use the TE's enough critic." But this wasn't (just) that

cajuncoug

Dec 2, 2:58pm

He probably would’ve eventually seen the field, but it isn’t like the guys he

DieHarder

Dec 2, 1:18pm

How do we whiff so consistently on big recruits???

Lifer

Dec 2, 1:19pm

How many other program's depth charts do you pay close attention to?

kccougar

Dec 2, 1:20pm

I don't. Are you saying our success rate with "big" recruits is average or

Lifer

Dec 2, 1:23pm

Yes.

kccougar

Dec 2, 1:33pm

Recruiting services do the worst at evaluating tight ends. Its data. There is

spidercoug

Dec 2, 1:20pm

The fact that big recruits don’t often pan out proves that coaches don’t “develop” talent but they sure do hope to

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 1:27pm

I think this was expected

darkcoug

Dec 2, 1:19pm

Expected.

PhilPete

Dec 2, 1:19pm

FWIW, I believed you PhilPete

Str8CashCougar

Dec 2, 1:56pm

Not surprised since he couldn’t get higher than 5th string in a mediocre group

rivercitycoug

Dec 2, 1:20pm

Under 2 different TE coaches as well.

deliciousmocha

Dec 2, 1:56pm

Interesting post to look back on from October:

TCuz

Dec 2, 1:21pm

For those of you pining for the Lyons boys. Not gonna happen, EVER, with Arod as

Forbidden Fruit

Dec 2, 1:24pm

Thank you Brother Lyons, move on here

coot20

Dec 2, 1:30pm

BYU has a 4 star curse.

cougaman

Dec 2, 1:36pm

You could say that…or remember that we also have a few in the nfl. Fred, Taysom,

coug719

Dec 2, 1:48pm

Great, 3 out of the last 15+ years.

cougaman

Dec 2, 1:54pm

I mean, how many do we get?? Haha

coug719

Dec 2, 2:00pm

And what is the general turnout rate across all programs?

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:02pm

I could look that up, but sounds like a lot of work.

coug719

Dec 2, 2:08pm

Sorry I was just trying to support your point.

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:10pm

Oh, you’re good! Wasn’t trying to be snarky or anything.

coug719

Dec 2, 2:54pm

Heaps, Apo, Stout, Mangum, hinds, Ah You, Tuifua, Fano, Damuni (undetermined),

cougaman

Dec 2, 2:29pm

Fred and Puka were over 15 years ago???

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:32pm

Puka was a transfer, as was Hill. Initially Warner didn’t show up as a 4 star

cougaman

Dec 2, 2:58pm

Why do you suppose these 4 star players don’t develop at BYU?

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 3:54pm

Some are probably overrated, and just early bloomers, and some have just had

cougaman

Dec 2, 3:57pm

...just like Dallin Holker too, right?

Das_Countach

Dec 2, 4:05pm

Who said anything about Dallin Holker? He was great as a freshman, then behind

cougaman

Dec 2, 4:20pm

Exactly, some guys continue to develop and some guys reached their ceiling in HS. It’s not the coaches fault when they

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 4:45pm

Did my post seem like I was trying to give fault? I’d just been a long stretch

cougaman

Dec 2, 4:53pm

No, it didn’t suggest that. I’m referencing the common belief that when a player has success the assumption is because

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 5:35pm

Gotcha. I can’t think of a 4 star Id blame the coaches for them not panning out.

cougaman

Dec 2, 5:39pm

I don’t blame the coaches either. They can’t force a kid to have talent, skills, heart, IQ, work ethic, courage, fight

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 5:49pm

BYU continues to recruit blocking TEs

checoug

Dec 2, 1:47pm

^^^^ This. We need big TEs with speed, who can run past LBs for 15yd passes.

FanofBYU

Dec 2, 4:54pm

What bothers me about this is that our HIGHEST offensive recruits...

canndyman

Dec 2, 2:10pm

Because they haven't deserved it. Your recruiting rankings don't mean a thing

molodyets

Dec 2, 2:14pm

That very well may be true...

canndyman

Dec 2, 2:16pm

you might want to take a look at the PFF ratings of the TE's, it is the worst

Dec 2, 3:19pm

Holker quit the day after being the most targeted guy on the team.

molodyets

Dec 2, 3:21pm

The BYU kid that quit mid-season did very well at CSU.

Benfica1

Dec 2, 2:30pm

Bowers was one and didn't pan out. Swanson was a true freshman and saw some time

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:19pm

HIGHEST or just hypest?

SinkingQuffa

Dec 2, 4:02pm

No... They're the highest...

canndyman

Dec 2, 5:34pm

...who never saw the field in his two years. LOTS of 4* guys don't work out.

SinkingQuffa

Dec 2, 5:56pm

THIS!

jaba166

Dec 2, 8:45pm

I'd transfer too, ARod has no idea how to utilize TEs

therock

Dec 2, 2:29pm

But CB tells me A Rod is amazing!

runningryan

Dec 2, 2:31pm

How would you utilize guys who have a 60% drop rate and don’t block well?

stoils

Dec 2, 3:40pm

Go be great, Jackson. THANK YOU for coming to BYU.

gocougs719

Dec 2, 2:41pm

Who?

AlternateShot

Dec 2, 2:45pm

Problem with Jake is his passes get batted down if they are close over the

Blue for Life

Dec 2, 3:29pm

Zach Wilson used the TE a lot. Same system. Maybe JR doesn't look for the TE

GMGlenn

Dec 2, 3:34pm

I think we just have better WR than TE. Rex post injury wasn’t the same

cougaman

Dec 2, 3:36pm

We had significantly more talented TEs during ZWs time and less talented WRs.

TheLoneCougar

Dec 2, 3:41pm

He can't make the throw over the OL/DL without getting it tipped.

Blue for Life

Dec 2, 3:41pm

I expect more TE's yo do the same. BYU doesn't even use TE's anymore

SoValleyCOUG

Dec 2, 4:59pm

Not unexpected. It's a few things

cajuncoug

Dec 2, 5:24pm

Seems like this should be a black mark in the "how is ARod as an OC?" debate

unctoothman

8:16am

Sometime people just need a new atmosphere to shine

stoils

8:50am

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