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Dec 2, 2024
1:27:22pm

Zach Morris #NeverNavy

The fact that big recruits don’t often pan out proves that coaches don’t “develop” talent but they sure do hope to

sign the talent and then hope that talent turns out which in many cases it just doesn’t.

If coaches really do “develop” talent then please explain the countless 5,4 and quality 3 star players who never get “developed” at programs across the country.

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Originally posted on Dec 2, 2024 at 1:27:22pm

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Time

Bowers in the portal

Knee Brace .5 Deviation Thunder

Dec 2, 1:12pm

Grammar like that makes me 95% sure he’s heading to ASU.

The Y's Insider

Dec 2, 1:13pm

That's cute.

VenomFarmer

Dec 2, 4:55pm

Not surprising with how little use TEs were being used.

byuluvr

Dec 2, 1:13pm

I’m frankly amazed we can recruit any TE’s.

Bluforever

Dec 2, 1:16pm

I think they were used, but they just weren't that great.

Jeffacka

Dec 2, 1:17pm

Worst preforming group on the team by a wide margin.

Dec 2, 1:18pm

What could be the cause of that?

runningryan

Dec 2, 2:28pm

Poor recruiting and development from Steve Clark?

Dec 2, 3:13pm

Agree, but as you pointed out - it comes back to coaching

runningryan

Dec 2, 3:16pm

Just like Holker was "a bad TE" 64 receptions later after leaving Arods awful

Dec 2, 3:44pm

Sophomore Isaac Rex would disagree with you and Holker quit on the team the day after he was the most targeted

Dec 2, 4:58pm

...I highly doubt his decision to leave was made due to a single game

Dec 2, 5:05pm

Just like pretty much every tight end...again, Sophomore Rex disagrees with you.

Dec 2, 5:14pm

I think you mean "RS Frosh" Rex (2020 the year he had 12TD catches under Grimes)

9:32am

Where half of his snaps came with him lined up at WR

molodyets

Dec 2, 6:09pm

Only for blocking. It has been this way for a while.

FanofBYU

Dec 2, 4:49pm

More accurately, he couldn't break through the depth chart above him

kccougar

Dec 2, 1:18pm

It’s a glaring problem year after year

bigjohn

Dec 2, 2:02pm

Name those opportunities if there are "plenty"

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:10pm

Arod is clueless when it comes to effectively using TE's

Dec 2, 3:46pm

It seems this is true. They are so rarely a weapon, even when we consistently

jaba166

Dec 2, 8:39pm

It is very frustrating to see how little focus Arod puts on them in his system

Dec 2, 9:12pm

“Almost every year” we’ve had 2 in the last 2 years but zero the 8+ years before

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 10:28pm

He obviously doesn’t feel like he’ll play next year

Dec 2, 1:14pm

We are losing everybody there. Swanson (mission) Hill and Ta'ase are seniors.

Corn

Dec 2, 1:18pm

I think he just needs more time. Dang

Unibro

Dec 2, 1:15pm

It’s more than that.

The Y's Insider

Dec 2, 1:17pm

Ugh, ridiculous

FiveTen-BuckEighty

Dec 2, 1:19pm

It's not ridiculous. It's just football. Some guys pan out. Others don't.

kccougar

Dec 2, 1:19pm

Yup, taking personal offense at a young man's choice on what he wants to do is not a good waste of emotions.

CSoul

Dec 2, 1:24pm

Sorry, it's just that TE is a very sore spot for me

FiveTen-BuckEighty

Dec 2, 1:26pm

Hill had so many drops this year including a bad one against Houston

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 1:34pm

Hill’s highlight for the year was recovering the fumble against Houston

stoils

Dec 2, 3:37pm

he should switch positions. he will play more as a guard than TE.

molodyets

Dec 2, 1:25pm

Lol “Thank you Heavenly Father! I am entering the portal” that’s a funny way to

palangi

Dec 2, 1:16pm

My favorite line for people in Utah leaving their job as the trump card. "We just were inspired to do this"

CSoul

Dec 2, 1:18pm

Agree but Bowers doesn't do that here. Just expresses gratitude.

Unibro

Dec 2, 1:20pm

Yeh, I should have qualified it as I don't know what Brock is saying here or trying to pick on him. Just reminds me

CSoul

Dec 2, 1:22pm

*Jackson

Unibro

Dec 2, 8:43pm

It sounds like you get busted up quite easily

stoils

Dec 2, 9:01pm

If he's not creatively mocking the traditional gratitude lingo, his humor IQ is no higher than his grammar IQ.

SinkingQuffa

3:12am

Had a situation moving back from living overseas where we could have gone to

indocoug

Dec 2, 1:39pm

I don't think it's right to use it in a conversation in most professional settings, especially when

CSoul

Dec 2, 2:06pm

I've been a "We don't use the TE's enough critic." But this wasn't (just) that

cajuncoug

Dec 2, 2:58pm

He probably would’ve eventually seen the field, but it isn’t like the guys he

DieHarder

Dec 2, 1:18pm

How do we whiff so consistently on big recruits???

Lifer

Dec 2, 1:19pm

How many other program's depth charts do you pay close attention to?

kccougar

Dec 2, 1:20pm

I don't. Are you saying our success rate with "big" recruits is average or

Lifer

Dec 2, 1:23pm

Yes.

kccougar

Dec 2, 1:33pm

Recruiting services do the worst at evaluating tight ends. Its data. There is

spidercoug

Dec 2, 1:20pm

The fact that big recruits don’t often pan out proves that coaches don’t “develop” talent but they sure do hope to

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 1:27pm

I think this was expected

darkcoug

Dec 2, 1:19pm

Expected.

PhilPete

Dec 2, 1:19pm

FWIW, I believed you PhilPete

Dec 2, 1:56pm

Not surprised since he couldn’t get higher than 5th string in a mediocre group

Dec 2, 1:20pm

Under 2 different TE coaches as well.

Dec 2, 1:56pm

Interesting post to look back on from October:

TCuz

Dec 2, 1:21pm

For those of you pining for the Lyons boys. Not gonna happen, EVER, with Arod as

Forbidden Fruit

Dec 2, 1:24pm

Thank you Brother Lyons, move on here

coot20

Dec 2, 1:30pm

BYU has a 4 star curse.

cougaman

Dec 2, 1:36pm

You could say that…or remember that we also have a few in the nfl. Fred, Taysom,

coug719

Dec 2, 1:48pm

Great, 3 out of the last 15+ years.

cougaman

Dec 2, 1:54pm

I mean, how many do we get?? Haha

coug719

Dec 2, 2:00pm

And what is the general turnout rate across all programs?

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:02pm

I could look that up, but sounds like a lot of work.

coug719

Dec 2, 2:08pm

Sorry I was just trying to support your point.

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:10pm

Oh, you’re good! Wasn’t trying to be snarky or anything.

coug719

Dec 2, 2:54pm

Heaps, Apo, Stout, Mangum, hinds, Ah You, Tuifua, Fano, Damuni (undetermined),

cougaman

Dec 2, 2:29pm

Fred and Puka were over 15 years ago???

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:32pm

Puka was a transfer, as was Hill. Initially Warner didn’t show up as a 4 star

cougaman

Dec 2, 2:58pm

Why do you suppose these 4 star players don’t develop at BYU?

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 3:54pm

Some are probably overrated, and just early bloomers, and some have just had

cougaman

Dec 2, 3:57pm

...just like Dallin Holker too, right?

Dec 2, 4:05pm

Who said anything about Dallin Holker? He was great as a freshman, then behind

cougaman

Dec 2, 4:20pm

Exactly, some guys continue to develop and some guys reached their ceiling in HS. It’s not the coaches fault when they

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 4:45pm

Did my post seem like I was trying to give fault? I’d just been a long stretch

cougaman

Dec 2, 4:53pm

No, it didn’t suggest that. I’m referencing the common belief that when a player has success the assumption is because

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 5:35pm

Gotcha. I can’t think of a 4 star Id blame the coaches for them not panning out.

cougaman

Dec 2, 5:39pm

I don’t blame the coaches either. They can’t force a kid to have talent, skills, heart, IQ, work ethic, courage, fight

Zach Morris

Dec 2, 5:49pm

BYU continues to recruit blocking TEs

checoug

Dec 2, 1:47pm

^^^^ This. We need big TEs with speed, who can run past LBs for 15yd passes.

FanofBYU

Dec 2, 4:54pm

What bothers me about this is that our HIGHEST offensive recruits...

canndyman

Dec 2, 2:10pm

Because they haven't deserved it. Your recruiting rankings don't mean a thing

molodyets

Dec 2, 2:14pm

That very well may be true...

canndyman

Dec 2, 2:16pm

you might want to take a look at the PFF ratings of the TE's, it is the worst

g$

Dec 2, 3:19pm

Holker quit the day after being the most targeted guy on the team.

molodyets

Dec 2, 3:21pm

The BYU kid that quit mid-season did very well at CSU.

Benfica1

Dec 2, 2:30pm

Bowers was one and didn't pan out. Swanson was a true freshman and saw some time

chilawcoug

Dec 2, 2:19pm

HIGHEST or just hypest?

SinkingQuffa

Dec 2, 4:02pm

No... They're the highest...

canndyman

Dec 2, 5:34pm

...who never saw the field in his two years. LOTS of 4* guys don't work out.

SinkingQuffa

Dec 2, 5:56pm

THIS!

jaba166

Dec 2, 8:45pm

I'd transfer too, ARod has no idea how to utilize TEs

therock

Dec 2, 2:29pm

But CB tells me A Rod is amazing!

runningryan

Dec 2, 2:31pm

How would you utilize guys who have a 60% drop rate and don’t block well?

stoils

Dec 2, 3:40pm

Go be great, Jackson. THANK YOU for coming to BYU.

gocougs719

Dec 2, 2:41pm

Who?

AlternateShot

Dec 2, 2:45pm

Problem with Jake is his passes get batted down if they are close over the

Dec 2, 3:29pm

Zach Wilson used the TE a lot. Same system. Maybe JR doesn't look for the TE

GMGlenn

Dec 2, 3:34pm

I think we just have better WR than TE. Rex post injury wasn’t the same

cougaman

Dec 2, 3:36pm

We had significantly more talented TEs during ZWs time and less talented WRs.

Dec 2, 3:41pm

He can't make the throw over the OL/DL without getting it tipped.

Dec 2, 3:41pm

I expect more TE's yo do the same. BYU doesn't even use TE's anymore

SoValleyCOUG

Dec 2, 4:59pm

Not unexpected. It's a few things

cajuncoug

Dec 2, 5:24pm

Seems like this should be a black mark in the "how is ARod as an OC?" debate

unctoothman

8:16am

Sometime people just need a new atmosphere to shine

stoils

8:50am

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