My numbers are solely from the OP, so 2nd half only.

Oct 1, 2024
12:53:34pm

The Dark Knight All-American

I think you supported my point: we are relatively balanced on 2nd down.

Your point on 2nd an 10 is a different one, and I think it introduces different questions.

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OK here's every BYU play of the 2nd half. When did BYU get "too conservative"?

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 11:35am

Around 1:50 left in the 4th quarter and it was the right decision.

Still Questing

Oct 1, 11:38am

It baffles me that there are a select few on here still trying to argue that

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 11:39am

Sitake is right. I never felt vs Baylor that BYU was not aggressive enough.

Forzaitalia

Oct 1, 12:05pm

I don’t think any of them are trolling. They really think they know. Most

Polecat

Oct 1, 12:15pm

See my specific examples below under "Here's when:"

Threw and Through

Oct 1, 5:33pm

Whenever any team allows a come back the auto response from casual fans is

YOHONOMOTO

Oct 1, 2:16pm

Right - if you dont understand football at all, it makes sense to think that

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 5:13pm

Please just stop. AROD's style of offense is to control possessions. If you have

rha1211

Oct 1, 5:03pm

They aren't just disagreeing with me

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 5:17pm

Ok if you want to go down this road. Let's start at the beginning. What exactly

rha1211

Oct 1, 5:20pm

" Part of that strategy is to get more conservative as you gain leads."

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 5:27pm

I dont care what coaches say in an interview. I'm not sure what motivations

rha1211

Oct 1, 6:07pm

Also, every time we lost a game. It would go something like this. One or

rha1211

Oct 1, 6:35pm

" Part of that strategy is to get more conservative as you gain leads." The fact

rha1211

Oct 1, 6:38pm

both o y'all should look at my post and give me your honest opinion what you thi

realisticCoug42

Oct 1, 7:53pm

I think that's a fair take. My main issue

rha1211

Oct 1, 8:07pm

I seem to recall a couple run plays on 3rd and 7 or more.

RoyalTooth15

Oct 1, 11:41am

...unless it is a draw play

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 11:43am

There was one.

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 11:45am

And that was right before the missed FG & run game wasn't having success anyway

MarylandFan

Oct 1, 2:20pm

One was on 3rd and 20+? Yes, BYU conceded that drive, and it was the right thing to do.

kccougar

Oct 1, 11:48am

There was another right before Ferrin missed the FG.

StantonMac

Oct 1, 12:58pm

Yeah, I think people imagine things that don't truly happen

Belboz

Oct 1, 1:54pm

Not conservative to me, certainly the run game struggled with some new personnel

MrSandman

Oct 1, 11:41am

For the "ARod always runs on 2nd Down" crowd: 4 runs, 5 passes on 2nd Down

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 11:46am

Confirmation bias is real

NYCougz

Oct 1, 11:50am

I would like to see our percentage over several seasons specifically on 2nd & 10

RoyalTooth15

Oct 1, 11:54am

...and I would like a sandwich. Make it happen! 😉

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 11:56am

Ok, from my quick addition skills

RoyalTooth15

Oct 2, 11:30am

I'm not sure where you got your numbers from...

seco03

Oct 1, 12:15pm

More important than making the defense guess between run or pass is to

byusage

Oct 1, 12:26pm

I'm not making any argument with lack of execution or style of play, just

seco03

Oct 1, 12:30pm

My numbers are solely from the OP, so 2nd half only.

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 12:53pm

Now tell me how many people in the box for each 2nd down

StantonMac

Oct 1, 2:22pm

All done with a 3rd string center and freshmen running backs that are less experienced blockers.

kccougar

Oct 1, 11:50am

3 of 5 OL starters out for at least part of the game

NYC and Japan

Oct 1, 12:44pm

"Had a hole, not enough speed..." He hits the hole faster than any of our other

Adwight

Oct 1, 11:52am

Regardless, he doesn't have elite P4 RB speed. There was room to run.

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 11:57am

Thanks for this. The histrionics on here can be really loud sometimes.

PJMort

Oct 1, 11:57am

And the whole argument - to me - comes down to 1 play. 3rd and 6 and we ran

Adwight

Oct 1, 12:08pm

“Never trust a kicker.” Dude made a 54 yarder earlier in the game, right?

Polecat

Oct 1, 12:18pm

OK, so your entire complaint rests on 1 play? Man, you're a harsh critic.

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 12:21pm

Never trust ANYONE that says you can judge a game of 100+ plays by 1 play

NYC and Japan

Oct 1, 12:46pm

Worst excuse in football. Most games are decided by 1 or 2 plays. Flame away

Adwight

Oct 1, 12:53pm

No game is decided by 1 or 2 plays. Every play counts. Every play impacts the

NYC and Japan

Oct 1, 1:12pm

In order for those 1-2 plays to make a difference, the team has to have done

Polecat

Oct 1, 1:27pm

Are you a mind-reader? That is some impressive psychological analysis

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 12:56pm

Nah, it was the right call. If the field goal stands, they are up by 16

Southpawn

Oct 1, 2:25pm

A lot of crickets from the constant vague surface level complainers who think

Polecat

Oct 1, 12:10pm

Not so. Just keep on reading. The criticism is valid. Read the response

Threw and Through

Oct 1, 5:32pm

You’re certainly free to dislike the calls and disagree with them. However I

Polecat

Oct 2, 8:46am

INT in the 4th was a real bummer. How can we learn to gain 2 yards on 3rd down?

MajorZeus

Oct 1, 2:03pm

RE: INT in the 4th was a real bummer. How can we learn to gain 2 yards on 3rd

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 2:11pm

For me it is the bigger picture and doesn't mean we were aggressive vs not

MajorZeus

Oct 1, 2:17pm

I don't know if you have noticed that BYU has done pretty dang good scoring

byusage

Oct 1, 4:56pm

That is a bright spot

Helm Hammerhand

Oct 1, 5:27pm

You are picking and choosing different scenarios to fit narrative. I’m specific

MajorZeus

Oct 1, 5:27pm

I didn’t like the fact the we only scored 3 points in the second half. I don’t

Helm Hammerhand

Oct 1, 3:39pm

Contrary to popular opinion, they never got too conservative.

NotoriousBUD

Oct 1, 3:53pm

First possession of the 4th quarter. Should’ve been by then running game was

Cooouuugs

Oct 1, 4:12pm

You put in some work!

Tuskaloosa Cougar

Oct 1, 5:08pm

Here's when: on the four separate occasions when we threw incomplete

Threw and Through

Oct 1, 5:26pm

Those running plays were getting us 5 yards a pop in the first half

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 5:38pm

Calling a run on 2nd/3rd down and long is just dumb. It takes a bad situation

25mphman

Oct 1, 6:09pm

It sounds like your criticism is more of ARod’s predictability, not conservatism

byuinva

Oct 1, 6:09pm

I would argue that consistently running up the middle on 2nd/3rd and long is

25mphman

Oct 1, 6:18pm

Is there ever a time where it’s ok to be predictable and/or conservative? I ask

Polecat

Oct 2, 10:06am

Sorry, "lots of coaches do it" is not a persuasive argument. Especially when the

25mphman

Oct 2, 1:20pm

I do agree that the running game in general and lack of reliability when it’s

Polecat

Oct 2, 8:12am

I love the "predictable" argument.

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