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Oct 1, 2024
11:39:02am

MaximusMeridius Intervention Needed

It baffles me that there are a select few on here still trying to argue that

BYU got "too conservative" in the second half. The evidence to the contrary is overwhelming.

The people who just look at the box score points in the first half vs second half and conclude that the only explanation is "conservative play calling" are either trolling or are very very not smart

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MaximusMeridius

Previous username: Machiavelli
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OK here's every BYU play of the 2nd half. When did BYU get "too conservative"?

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 11:35am

Around 1:50 left in the 4th quarter and it was the right decision.

Oct 1, 11:38am

It baffles me that there are a select few on here still trying to argue that

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 11:39am

Sitake is right. I never felt vs Baylor that BYU was not aggressive enough.

Forzaitalia

Oct 1, 12:05pm

I don’t think any of them are trolling. They really think they know. Most

Polecat

Oct 1, 12:15pm

See my specific examples below under "Here's when:"

Threw and Through

Oct 1, 5:33pm

Whenever any team allows a come back the auto response from casual fans is

YOHONOMOTO

Oct 1, 2:16pm

Right - if you dont understand football at all, it makes sense to think that

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 5:13pm

Please just stop. AROD's style of offense is to control possessions. If you have

rha1211

Oct 1, 5:03pm

They aren't just disagreeing with me

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 5:17pm

Ok if you want to go down this road. Let's start at the beginning. What exactly

rha1211

Oct 1, 5:20pm

" Part of that strategy is to get more conservative as you gain leads."

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 5:27pm

I dont care what coaches say in an interview. I'm not sure what motivations

rha1211

Oct 1, 6:07pm

Also, every time we lost a game. It would go something like this. One or

rha1211

Oct 1, 6:35pm

" Part of that strategy is to get more conservative as you gain leads." The fact

rha1211

Oct 1, 6:38pm

both o y'all should look at my post and give me your honest opinion what you thi

realisticCoug42

Oct 1, 7:53pm

I think that's a fair take. My main issue

rha1211

Oct 1, 8:07pm

I seem to recall a couple run plays on 3rd and 7 or more.

Oct 1, 11:41am

...unless it is a draw play

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 11:43am

There was one.

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 11:45am

And that was right before the missed FG & run game wasn't having success anyway

MarylandFan

Oct 1, 2:20pm

One was on 3rd and 20+? Yes, BYU conceded that drive, and it was the right thing to do.

kccougar

Oct 1, 11:48am

There was another right before Ferrin missed the FG.

StantonMac

Oct 1, 12:58pm

Yeah, I think people imagine things that don't truly happen

Belboz

Oct 1, 1:54pm

Not conservative to me, certainly the run game struggled with some new personnel

MrSandman

Oct 1, 11:41am

For the "ARod always runs on 2nd Down" crowd: 4 runs, 5 passes on 2nd Down

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 11:46am

Confirmation bias is real

NYCougz

Oct 1, 11:50am

I would like to see our percentage over several seasons specifically on 2nd & 10

Oct 1, 11:54am

...and I would like a sandwich. Make it happen! 😉

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 11:56am

Ok, from my quick addition skills

Oct 2, 11:30am

I'm not sure where you got your numbers from...

seco03

Oct 1, 12:15pm

More important than making the defense guess between run or pass is to

byusage

Oct 1, 12:26pm

I'm not making any argument with lack of execution or style of play, just

seco03

Oct 1, 12:30pm

My numbers are solely from the OP, so 2nd half only.

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 12:53pm

Now tell me how many people in the box for each 2nd down

StantonMac

Oct 1, 2:22pm

All done with a 3rd string center and freshmen running backs that are less experienced blockers.

kccougar

Oct 1, 11:50am

3 of 5 OL starters out for at least part of the game

NYC and Japan

Oct 1, 12:44pm

"Had a hole, not enough speed..." He hits the hole faster than any of our other

Adwight

Oct 1, 11:52am

Regardless, he doesn't have elite P4 RB speed. There was room to run.

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 11:57am

Thanks for this. The histrionics on here can be really loud sometimes.

PJMort

Oct 1, 11:57am

And the whole argument - to me - comes down to 1 play. 3rd and 6 and we ran

Adwight

Oct 1, 12:08pm

“Never trust a kicker.” Dude made a 54 yarder earlier in the game, right?

Polecat

Oct 1, 12:18pm

OK, so your entire complaint rests on 1 play? Man, you're a harsh critic.

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 12:21pm

Never trust ANYONE that says you can judge a game of 100+ plays by 1 play

NYC and Japan

Oct 1, 12:46pm

Worst excuse in football. Most games are decided by 1 or 2 plays. Flame away

Adwight

Oct 1, 12:53pm

No game is decided by 1 or 2 plays. Every play counts. Every play impacts the

NYC and Japan

Oct 1, 1:12pm

In order for those 1-2 plays to make a difference, the team has to have done

Polecat

Oct 1, 1:27pm

Are you a mind-reader? That is some impressive psychological analysis

The Dark Knight

Oct 1, 12:56pm

Nah, it was the right call. If the field goal stands, they are up by 16

Southpawn

Oct 1, 2:25pm

A lot of crickets from the constant vague surface level complainers who think

Polecat

Oct 1, 12:10pm

Not so. Just keep on reading. The criticism is valid. Read the response

Threw and Through

Oct 1, 5:32pm

You’re certainly free to dislike the calls and disagree with them. However I

Polecat

Oct 2, 8:46am

INT in the 4th was a real bummer. How can we learn to gain 2 yards on 3rd down?

MajorZeus

Oct 1, 2:03pm

RE: INT in the 4th was a real bummer. How can we learn to gain 2 yards on 3rd

The Y's Insider

Oct 1, 2:11pm

For me it is the bigger picture and doesn't mean we were aggressive vs not

MajorZeus

Oct 1, 2:17pm

I don't know if you have noticed that BYU has done pretty dang good scoring

byusage

Oct 1, 4:56pm

That is a bright spot

Helm Hammerhand

Oct 1, 5:27pm

You are picking and choosing different scenarios to fit narrative. I’m specific

MajorZeus

Oct 1, 5:27pm

I didn’t like the fact the we only scored 3 points in the second half. I don’t

Helm Hammerhand

Oct 1, 3:39pm

Contrary to popular opinion, they never got too conservative.

Oct 1, 3:53pm

First possession of the 4th quarter. Should’ve been by then running game was

Cooouuugs

Oct 1, 4:12pm

You put in some work!

Tuskaloosa Cougar

Oct 1, 5:08pm

Here's when: on the four separate occasions when we threw incomplete

Threw and Through

Oct 1, 5:26pm

Those running plays were getting us 5 yards a pop in the first half

MaximusMeridius

Oct 1, 5:38pm

Calling a run on 2nd/3rd down and long is just dumb. It takes a bad situation

25mphman

Oct 1, 6:09pm

It sounds like your criticism is more of ARod’s predictability, not conservatism

byuinva

Oct 1, 6:09pm

I would argue that consistently running up the middle on 2nd/3rd and long is

25mphman

Oct 1, 6:18pm

Is there ever a time where it’s ok to be predictable and/or conservative? I ask

Polecat

Oct 2, 10:06am

Sorry, "lots of coaches do it" is not a persuasive argument. Especially when the

25mphman

Oct 2, 1:20pm

I do agree that the running game in general and lack of reliability when it’s

Polecat

Oct 2, 8:12am

I love the "predictable" argument.

StantonMac

Oct 2, 10:33am

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