Is Baker really that good? In limited minutes last year he seemed more like a sixth-man scorer. I hope you're right.

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Sep 9, 2024
9:40:29am

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Is Baker really that good? In limited minutes last year he seemed more like a sixth-man scorer. I hope you're right.

It was admittedly a small sample size last year. However, he seemed more like a decent scorer with only so-so passing. With all of the talent on this team IMO a ball-dominant scorers with somewhat limited passing abilities will be a little farther down the list.

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Update/repost: Still too early take on the roster and who is going to play.

roseyscenario Work-in-Progress

Sep 8, 10:46pm

Is Mboup coming?

IdahoCoug

Sep 8, 10:56pm

Maybe. They're still trying.

roseyscenario

Sep 8, 11:03pm

Is it an academic thing, or something else?

IdahoCoug

Sep 8, 11:08pm

Tripple and Tripplet? For real?

Heath Squashwell

Sep 8, 11:10pm

And Trey. BYU is a 3 pt shooting team, after all.

Soupie

Sep 8, 11:12pm

Don't forget Traore.

Plantagenet

Sep 9, 10:15am

Wow, prognosis for Bosko that bad huh? Here I hoped we had found our

Mitty

Sep 8, 11:16pm

Boskovic probably is that good. At this point, belief is Mag and Catchings are a notch up from the able Waterman/Bosko.

roseyscenario

Sep 8, 11:18pm

Hope so but that would require a big leap on O from Mag and Catchings

Mitty

Sep 8, 11:24pm

If they don't get it done, Bosko moves up. So far, intel tells us Mag and Catchings are stronger players. Things change.

roseyscenario

Sep 8, 11:32pm

But Mag isn't really a 4. He's certainly strong & explosive enough, but 6'7 & short-armed. Given his foot-speed

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 9:55am

In the highlight video I saw of Boskovic playing against pros he looked REALLY

Sep 9, 1:24pm

He obviously needs work in the low post, but the size, strength, speed, skill & experience makes him our surest bet at 4

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 1:32pm

Agreed. The other video someone posted when the commit came out had a lot of him

Sep 9, 1:48pm

Yeah, I was 1 who posted that. It gave a good glimpse of his physicality & quickness but was vs much easier competition.

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 1:57pm

RE: Wow, prognosis for Bosko that bad huh? Here I hoped we had found our

SportsLover

Sep 9, 9:04am

He's much more physical than Waterman. If he's no better than rosey's saying, he was a waste.

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 9:24am

How does that make sense? You say he is not good. I said he is as good as Waterman and there might be players better.

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 9:34am

Then why do you have him ranked 12th on the team, behind 3 guys who very likely won't be in the rotation?

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 9:37am

RE: Then why do you have him ranked 12th on the team, behind 3 guys who very likely won't be in the rotation?

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 9:49am

Keita did not back up Carlson

Remigius

Sep 8, 11:53pm

You are right. edited. Fouss could win the #1 for 4th year. Keba is newer to the game and learning fast. Fouss has been

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 6:03am

Utah didn't use him right, imo. He shoulda left — if not to us — to someone else.

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 9:00am

I think you may be underestimating

LifeLongLakerFan

Sep 9, 12:09am

Could be. Instead of who?

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 5:52am

Mag and Catchings. Those two can play three as well, so they'll get min there.

LifeLongLakerFan

Sep 9, 9:41am

I think Mag was primarily a 3 in the planning before Boskovic & Mboup even signed on. And making Catchings work at the 4

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 11:46am

If Mag and Catchings share the 3, then who among Demin, Hall, Baker, Saunders, Knell go to the bench?

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 3:45pm

Catchings I'm sure wants some time playing his eventual position of PF. But it's really not a winning slot for him yet.

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 4:03pm

Your rotation is not impossible if Knell falls flat, which I doubt. But Baker will not see time at PG now that Demin &

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 4:16pm

If you want Baker's D to float for more than 15 min on our roster (& I think we both agree his offense needs

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 4:28pm

I don't recall saying they share the 3. I said they both CAN play the 3 as well.

LifeLongLakerFan

Sep 10, 11:10am

Good analysis, and I agree, BYU under-rated. Also think top 5 in B12, and

jaba166

Sep 9, 12:20am

Yes, Demin's intellectual and emotional maturity is off the charts. Expect big things from him on and off the court.

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 7:38am

Top 5 draft pick! That's a big statement.

Lifer

Sep 9, 8:45am

Let's see how he plays out. Lots of basketball people see that as plausible. That he's smart and likable helps his case.

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 8:56am

Mark this under "We'll have to wait and see."

Plantagenet

Sep 9, 10:20am

This is probably not the year to put BYU in the middle of the pack.

Plantagenet

Sep 9, 10:19am

Like what you’re saying but talented players need chemistry and time along with

44C

Sep 9, 10:54am

Yes, I agree. Winning 1 (or 2, or more) tourney games seems like really

jaba166

Sep 9, 8:31pm

#4 is wrong…Keita didn’t play behind Carlson, he played behind Lovering and as…

icecougar

Sep 9, 12:42am

Think you are undervaluing Boskovic

Projectoor

Sep 9, 5:20am

Good comments.

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 6:18am

If Baker is the 2nd best player on the team we could do better than win a couple

Lifer

Sep 9, 6:57am

Those close to the program last year think Baker is a stronger player than anyone BYU lost from last year.

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 8:53am

Can't wait to see him healthy! This team could be pretty special if it can jell

Lifer

Sep 9, 8:58am

Wow….Top 5….that’s definitely a 🌹 Rosey Scenario…I agree on Baker

44C

Sep 9, 6:50am

Biggest problem Mag will have is that both Keba and Fouss can’t shoot

JoeExotic

Sep 9, 7:10am

Defense still matters so I hope mag plays a lot

44C

Sep 9, 7:27am

This exactly. All the discussions about playing time are about individuals

runnincoug

Sep 9, 7:37am

Man it's going to be fun to watch how all of this plays out! So many options!

Lifer

Sep 9, 8:51am

no, you're 100% right. Knell is a pretty good defender, and better than Jax was

runnincoug

Sep 9, 9:13am

Fouss isn't as versatile as others, but saying he can't shoot is flat wrong

NYC and Japan

Sep 9, 9:51am

Fouss is extremely efficient ... in the paint. When people discuss his shooting

runnincoug

Sep 9, 9:55am

It's shorthand mainly for 3pt shooting, which Fouss takes too few of to be

Mitty

Sep 9, 10:01am

If he can’t hit the 3 at a decent clip I don’t consider him a shooter

JoeExotic

Sep 9, 11:14am

I’m seeing posts projecting top 5, even a top 3 finish in the B12. Get real!

DirtyWater

Sep 9, 7:43am

ok.. Top 2 it is baby

niqmadu

Sep 9, 1:49pm

This is 1 recruiting cycle for BYU. Kansas and Baylor have that sort of class

Thrill

Sep 9, 2:14pm

Fous is still the guy. I wish he were bigger, but he's just too good on offense.

cougargollum

Sep 9, 7:53am

He wasn't the starter or major minute guy last year. Why?

runnincoug

Sep 9, 8:17am

Healthy Fous will start.

Cougarbib

Sep 9, 8:21am

I believe he started until injured.

cougargollum

Sep 9, 8:50am

This is true.

PumaFanatico

Sep 9, 1:23pm

He is an undersized traditional 5 in a new game

Projectoor

Sep 9, 8:28am

I agree with most of that, but I don't think KY will fully run his ideal offense

cougargollum

Sep 9, 8:58am

KY doesn't have to "work with what he has". He's not a pauper w/ talent on team

runnincoug

Sep 9, 9:35am

You could be right, rosey. But I hope you're not. Cuz that rotation's defensively small & offensively has a low ceiling.

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 9:06am

1 disagree with that, as I do almost every time you discuss athleticism and size.

roseyscenario

Sep 9, 9:37am

The key comes down to coaching & management, of course. Which isn't addressed in these tally/usage posts by us.

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 9:40am

Is Baker really that good? In limited minutes last year he seemed more like a sixth-man scorer. I hope you're right.

cscougar

Sep 9, 9:40am

he was playing hurt.

HarlemCoug

Sep 9, 10:01am

Fair, but I didn't see elite shooting or athleticism, or above-average passing. I'm a little less convinced he'll be #2.

cscougar

Sep 9, 10:06am

You go watch his UCI highlights, you'll see elite shot creation and playmaking.

Mitty

Sep 9, 10:09am

I thought he looked great in his limited time. We SORELY needed his ball-handling, scoring & dynamic shooting. Too bad.

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 10:10am

Yes, we did need that last year.

Plantagenet

Sep 9, 10:28am

He & a corn-fed Marcus was really JUST what we needed for personnel. Even if Marcus coulda given us only 15 min per.

SinkingQuffa

Sep 9, 10:31am

Well, unconnected fans like me don't know but besides people close to the

Mitty

Sep 9, 10:05am

U never saw him healthy. Pure speculation on what he will bring. He is better

Cougarbib

Sep 9, 11:51am

i refuse to believe Baker is that high on the actual list of whats going to

buckeyecougarguy

Sep 9, 10:23am

If Baker is our best player with all that talent we brought in...

smootharch

Sep 9, 10:42am

Or Baker is just that good when healthy.

Lifer

Sep 9, 10:47am

I suspect it would be more accurately stated "#1 scorer" rather than "#1 player"

Mitty

Sep 9, 11:29am

At this point, with so many unknowns, I'm excited to see all of them play

OldFogey

Sep 9, 10:51am

Am I reading then your projected starting 5 is:

Mitty

Sep 9, 11:25am

There are 5 potential Final 4 contenders in the B12 not including BYU.

ninja math

Sep 9, 8:54pm

Finishing 5th or 6th is a great stretch goal in my mind, and the ceiling for

Mitty

Sep 10, 9:52am

It's not all that young. Hall, Fouss, Keta, Mag, Saunders, Knell, Baker are all

LifeLongLakerFan

Sep 10, 11:14am

I play Cougar Fantasy basketball on Google Sheets with my family, have to choose

CaughtForaTouchdown

Sep 10, 9:42am

Love Fouss, but Baker is the better pick. How does it work if your player misses games?

roseyscenario

Sep 10, 9:47am

We can keep one player from year to year.

CaughtForaTouchdown

Sep 10, 10:01am

I'd pick Baker given that choice but there the injury risk with both so.....?

Soupie

Sep 10, 9:48am

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