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Jun 30, 2024
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mokelembembe
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Just by recruiting geographies that should be plainly obvious. Teams that rely on West Coast recruits v. teams
that are combing the South and MidWest. California high school football is not that physical outside of the private school all-star teams.
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Jay Hill’s warning to Utah is correct. He’s just trying to help them. They’re in for a rude awakening. Remember how
RdF3
Inactive user
Jun 29, 10:13pm
Remember how Sagarin said the P12 was better than the B12 last year? And that
Scratch
Jun 29, 10:23pm
Until rising proves he can beat a non-pac12 p4 team, it’s a fair criticism
Longseason
Jun 29, 10:25pm
Yep. Utes hate road trips, and they're going to have some long ones in Big12
runnincoug
Jun 29, 10:43pm
Their schedule is pretty light this year.
davidmj10
Jun 30, 8:39am
True. Keeping the orphan 4 together is a huge advantage for them
Longseason
Jun 30, 9:17am
Arizona is going to be a tough team this year most likely.
davidmj10
Jun 30, 12:29pm
Ok so he lost to Ohio State, Penn State, and Florida and the only game he
uteman13
Jun 30, 11:09am
Sagarin??? He was bad enough in BCS days, and now he copies the FPI. You must
88Coug
Jun 29, 10:35pm
How did Utah do last year in that amazing P12?
puntersarepeople
Jun 29, 10:44pm
If BYU was in the PAC 12. We would have a lost Rose Bowl also.
ParentingNotForSissy
Jun 30, 12:13pm
Still beating that PAC drum. It’s ok. Let it go.
Sparkling Delirium
Jun 30, 7:57pm
Jay Hill better watch himself. Does he not know these teams come from the [gssp] pac 12?
Bob Vance
Jun 29, 10:32pm
The way to beat Utah is with a good power running game. That's half the Big 12
byusage
Jun 29, 10:45pm
Not sure I agree. Man defense is built to stop the run.
TheRowdy
Jun 29, 11:56pm
The strength of Utah's defense is physical bump and run man coverage and
byusage
Jun 30, 3:00pm
You make good points. I think you’ll see the Utes struggle more with middle of
puntersarepeople
Jun 30, 3:07pm
Utah had the 4th best running defense in the nation last year.
Virginia Ute
Jun 30, 6:25am
I guarantee they wouldn't have been 4th if they were in the Big 12 last year.
byusage
Jun 30, 6:49am
Ok. 4th in a conference with Texas and OU and Utah with no QB? Fair enough, but what’s your point?
Virginia Ute
Jun 30, 8:19am
When you’re on another team’s board there is always strength in numbers and
uteman13
Jun 30, 11:12am
The point is the top RBs in the country are back and in the Big 12 for this
byusage
Jun 30, 11:57am
I think the utes will actually fair better in the Big 12 than their fellow P12 members. The utes only succeeded with an
ManicBlue
Jun 30, 12:23am
Utah and whit will have no problem. His teams have always been physical.
Idacoug
Jun 30, 6:06am
Yeah, BYU fan can deny and downplay a lot of things about Utah football, but
CallSign
Jun 30, 7:31am
Jay....look at the schedules and tell me which games next year are harder compared to last. Here's a comparison of
Virginia Ute
Jun 30, 6:18am
Uh ... I can't seem to remember the utes winning the P12 last year. How did last season go again?
ManicBlue
Jun 30, 8:23am
That’s the point. The schedule is much easier so it is much more realistic to compete for a championship,
Virginia Ute
Jun 30, 10:24am
This discussion doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of Utah’s team,
Scratch
Jun 30, 10:28am
Seriously. Nobody can answer the question and tell me which games are harder.
Virginia Ute
Jun 30, 11:07am
I think Jay is speaking more broadly. Utah hangs their hat on physical play,
Junior Deputy
Jun 30, 3:59pm
You had me until you compared BYU's P12 success to Utah's...
Virginia Ute
Jun 30, 4:12pm
You’re right, BYU hasn’t lost to Oregon State or Arizona in the recent past. We
Junior Deputy
Jun 30, 4:35pm
Yeah the AZ and OSU teams you played weren’t anywhere near what they were last year.
Virginia Ute
Jun 30, 5:18pm
I mean...the answer to this question is Wazzu 2021, ASU 2021 and Utah 2021
krindorr
Jun 30, 7:31pm
Just by recruiting geographies that should be plainly obvious. Teams that rely on West Coast recruits v. teams
mokelembembe
Jun 30, 7:05am
This is just him saying something because he had to say something
Strawhat4life
Jun 30, 7:51am
I do think the Big 12 is generally more physical than the PAC; see linked analysis
krindorr
Jun 30, 10:55am
That makes sense, I can see the argument that OG big12 members
Strawhat4life
Jun 30, 5:34pm
The RBs in the B12 are a force. Historically P12 RBs weren’t too shabby
Srg
Jun 30, 9:05am
Wasn’t utahs schedule ranked one of the easiest in the big 12 this year? I don’t
ColonelMustard
Jun 30, 10:47am
So, I am no fan of the Utes, but
Traveling Coug
Jun 30, 12:37pm
I hope the other schools have been paying close attention to the fact that
BlueFever
Jun 30, 12:57pm
Where is that? I’m not sure some people saying they’re the favorite is already
Scratch
Jun 30, 3:08pm
Semantics.
BlueFever
Jun 30, 3:26pm
Semantics? Seriously? That’s a huge difference.
Scratch
Jun 30, 4:05pm
You're not fooling anyone with this charade, my friend.
BlueFever
Jul 1, 7:31am
Of course I don't think that. I don't know anyone who does. I'd say they're
Scratch
Jul 1, 10:17am
Let's see what some of your comrades are saying:
BlueFever
Jul 1, 10:33am
Wow. That's not at all what that means. I do love that that's the best you can
Scratch
Jul 1, 10:40am
I didn't see "reasonable goal" anywhere in that post, did you?
BlueFever
Jul 1, 11:00am
That's essentially what he says. There certainly isn't anything there about it
Scratch
Jul 1, 11:09am
No, when the bar for this guy is the playoffs,
BlueFever
Jul 1, 11:17am
Not true. "Setting the bar" is the level at which you will consider yourself a
Scratch
Jul 1, 11:33am
You don't even understand your own fanbase. lol
BlueFever
Jul 1, 12:06pm
He said a rude awakening as far as physicality of the league. Yes, the Big Xll
A Drew Aitch
Jun 30, 1:11pm
The Utes think all their answers to their offensive woes will be solved
I'mBatman
Jun 30, 1:26pm
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