You need incontrovertible evidence to overturn a call, not just plenty of

Sep 6, 2023
5:50:12am

Littlerich All-American

Evidence. For this play, you would need to have an angle which clearly shows his hand was not under the ball as the call on the field was an Interception. If that angle doesn’t exist, you can’t overturn the call.

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Littlerich

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Was the interception a bad call by the refs? Or was it simply a problem with

SouthernBlueBlood

9/6/23 4:36am

Yes

MormonThug

9/6/23 4:37am

Can’t pick both in my question

SouthernBlueBlood

9/6/23 4:46am

If one or more part of an "or" question is true, "yes" if a valid answer

ryebrye

9/6/23 4:49am

Certainly can pick yes. The refs made a bad call on the field and because of

A Drew Aitch

9/6/23 4:50am

in era of replay, not a bad call if the ref did not clearly see it hit ground

fulano

9/6/23 7:24am

The ball hit the ground. The ref missed the call. Replay doesn’t negate that it

A Drew Aitch

9/6/23 7:57am

In a world without replay, that call is a missed call.

Tricky

9/6/23 9:57am

Well he didn’t catch it so yes it was a bad call.

Metallicat

9/6/23 4:46am

The position that you need a correct camera angle to overturn

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 5:08am

I think the problem was that you couldn’t tell if his hand was under the ball

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 5:20am

I think there was pretty clear evidence on film he gathered it.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 5:23am

I think you’re wrong.

DirtyWater

9/6/23 5:58am

It was an obvious bad call. When you slow down the game &

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:10am

The fact that we are still here disputing it means that it was not indisputable

astroman

9/6/23 6:28am

So the cameras don't matter then? Just our opinions?

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:31am

No, the cameras are all that matters when trying to overturn

astroman

9/6/23 6:45am

Nice edit to your post there. Should "we" replay that, or just I?

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:52am

The camera quality of the interception was garbage. If the camera quality is..

greatbam

9/6/23 7:09am

I think his argument is that it shouldn't require irrefutable evidence

krindorr

9/6/23 8:19am

Disagree - video review shouldn't be a judgement call. It should be black and

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 9:23am

Black & White by WHAT clear evidence? The direct view of ground & ball only?

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 9:42am

Yes. If you can't tell if his hand was under it and it only bounced off his hand

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 9:45am

In that replay you COULD tell. In both real time & slo-mo.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 9:47am

You couldn't, because if you could the call would have been overturned.

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 10:30am

By their very restricted criteron of direct sight — ball & ground — you

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 10:39am

Great. We agree. You couldn't tell and there was no indisputable video evidence.

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 10:51am

Then you should have no problem proving it. Show me.

Utesaretheworst

9/6/23 6:35am

I think rewriting the review rule to say “you only need to be pretty sure even

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 6:05am

You used quotation marks there — like refs use replay evidence.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:12am

RE: You used quotation marks there — like refs use replay evidence.

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 7:12am

I actually think that is much better since the call on the field is even less

boctabulous

9/6/23 7:17am

You need incontrovertible evidence to overturn a call, not just plenty of

Littlerich

9/6/23 5:50am

There was incontrovertible evidence enough on that one to plainly see

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:24am

Show me where you "see" this evidence on the cameras they had that he didn't

ordinary tri guy

9/6/23 6:32am

Showing you what is obvious would be a waste of my & your time.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 8:04am

Interesting... Do you have a link to the video the replay officials had to determine if it was a correct call or not?

Rhino84

9/6/23 8:27am

It is no assumption that you ignore the video replay rules that disallow...

Les IsMore

9/6/23 9:53am

From the posts, it seems obvious to me that it is not obvious to all.

dratax

9/6/23 10:26am

Ok, don't go watch it for yourself then.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 10:30am

I did watch it. I have an opinion based on what I saw

dratax

9/6/23 12:12pm

That has never and should never be the standard. None of us should ever want a

Corn Pop

9/6/23 6:32am

IMO the refs shouldn't even be looking at the replays. It should be someone

boctabulous

9/6/23 7:19am

It is. There's a separate guy in the booth.

Corn Pop

9/6/23 7:34am

IMO when looking at instant replay they should act as if there was never a call

boctabulous

9/6/23 7:14am

That isn’t the point of instant replay or video review. The reply officials are

Littlerich

9/6/23 7:46am

I agree with you. I think it should be changed. The call on the field was

boctabulous

9/6/23 9:47am

But 90% don't agree that the call was wrong. Far less than 90%

Les IsMore

9/6/23 10:30am

I think they should change the way replay is used. Look at the replay as if

boctabulous

9/6/23 10:35am

The rules say "indisputable"

akbarishiwatsu

9/6/23 10:18am

The SHSU coach in post game said the "Conference" told the head ref it was time to move on...

TheLoneCougar

9/6/23 5:24am

I suspect "move on" meant there wasn't no angle that showed the ball hitting the ground so there's no sense in reviewing

Conan

9/6/23 6:25am

I would guess that, but just a weird way to talk about it.

TheLoneCougar

9/6/23 9:07am

Might have been referring to him arguing with the refs for several minutes after

Corn Pop

9/6/23 6:40am

That isn't how the coach described it, but could be.

TheLoneCougar

9/6/23 9:08am

It was just a call. No big deal. Happens all the time on bang bang plays.

ImuaKahuku

9/6/23 5:31am

Probably a bad call on the field, but given the call and lack of camera angles

byuinva

9/6/23 6:22am

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BYUMizzou

9/6/23 6:37am

The refs got it right because it benefitted BYU.

Utesaretheworst

9/6/23 6:39am

If it looks a certain way in real time and there isn't irrefutable evidence

Corn Pop

9/6/23 6:55am

Robinson was interviewed after the game. After listening to him... 0% chance he caught that ball.

HarlemCoug

9/6/23 7:48am

In AFR they mentioned how they interviewed him and asked "did you get away one"

greatbam

9/6/23 9:06am

He didn’t catch it from what it looks like.

davidmj10

9/6/23 7:47am

I'm pretty sure it was the wrong call on the field

BYU Fan

9/6/23 8:44am

Do we feel this way about Bradley's fumble against Utah? Was that also 'the right call'?

krindorr

9/6/23 9:45am

Yes, the Bradley fumble was the right call on replay. The picture with his knee

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 9:57am

I think the Bradley call could have been overturned but it was close

BYU Fan

9/6/23 11:20am

Depends on if you define an incorrect call as being bad.

Jarhead

9/6/23 9:41am

i wasn't at the game but the opposing coach seemed to be gesturing

lukeskywalker

9/6/23 10:15am

The review rules don't allow use of cameras...

Les IsMore

9/7/23 1:10am

ref should be allowed to use his best judgment to make the right call

lukeskywalker

9/7/23 9:35am

That’s what they do. Overturning a call is another matter.

Jarhead

9/7/23 10:38am

This would be a bad precedent... Stadium video producers would work to show all the missed calls which would benefit

Rhino84

9/7/23 11:17am

They already do that - just to give coaches a better idea which calls to challenge or not

krindorr

9/7/23 11:20am

We shouldn't have to rely on replay to get correct calls.

ochobeeguy

9/6/23 10:45am

But bad/wrong calls are part of the game — that replay shouldn't be toothless

SinkingQuffa

9/7/23 1:24am

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