I think the problem was that you couldn’t tell if his hand was under the ball

Sep 6, 2023
5:20:41am

Skeptical Optimist Intervention Needed

It seemed likely that it wasn’t, but you need indisputable video evidence to overturn the call, and there wasn’t a clear shot of the ball on the ground.

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Skeptical Optimist

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Was the interception a bad call by the refs? Or was it simply a problem with

SouthernBlueBlood

9/6/23 4:36am

Yes

MormonThug

9/6/23 4:37am

Can’t pick both in my question

SouthernBlueBlood

9/6/23 4:46am

If one or more part of an "or" question is true, "yes" if a valid answer

ryebrye

9/6/23 4:49am

Certainly can pick yes. The refs made a bad call on the field and because of

A Drew Aitch

9/6/23 4:50am

in era of replay, not a bad call if the ref did not clearly see it hit ground

fulano

9/6/23 7:24am

The ball hit the ground. The ref missed the call. Replay doesn’t negate that it

A Drew Aitch

9/6/23 7:57am

In a world without replay, that call is a missed call.

Tricky

9/6/23 9:57am

Well he didn’t catch it so yes it was a bad call.

Metallicat

9/6/23 4:46am

The position that you need a correct camera angle to overturn

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 5:08am

I think the problem was that you couldn’t tell if his hand was under the ball

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 5:20am

I think there was pretty clear evidence on film he gathered it.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 5:23am

I think you’re wrong.

DirtyWater

9/6/23 5:58am

It was an obvious bad call. When you slow down the game &

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:10am

The fact that we are still here disputing it means that it was not indisputable

astroman

9/6/23 6:28am

So the cameras don't matter then? Just our opinions?

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:31am

No, the cameras are all that matters when trying to overturn

astroman

9/6/23 6:45am

Nice edit to your post there. Should "we" replay that, or just I?

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:52am

The camera quality of the interception was garbage. If the camera quality is..

greatbam

9/6/23 7:09am

I think his argument is that it shouldn't require irrefutable evidence

krindorr

9/6/23 8:19am

Disagree - video review shouldn't be a judgement call. It should be black and

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 9:23am

Black & White by WHAT clear evidence? The direct view of ground & ball only?

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 9:42am

Yes. If you can't tell if his hand was under it and it only bounced off his hand

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 9:45am

In that replay you COULD tell. In both real time & slo-mo.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 9:47am

You couldn't, because if you could the call would have been overturned.

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 10:30am

By their very restricted criteron of direct sight — ball & ground — you

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 10:39am

Great. We agree. You couldn't tell and there was no indisputable video evidence.

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 10:51am

Then you should have no problem proving it. Show me.

Utesaretheworst

9/6/23 6:35am

I think rewriting the review rule to say “you only need to be pretty sure even

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 6:05am

You used quotation marks there — like refs use replay evidence.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:12am

RE: You used quotation marks there — like refs use replay evidence.

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 7:12am

I actually think that is much better since the call on the field is even less

boctabulous

9/6/23 7:17am

You need incontrovertible evidence to overturn a call, not just plenty of

Littlerich

9/6/23 5:50am

There was incontrovertible evidence enough on that one to plainly see

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 6:24am

Show me where you "see" this evidence on the cameras they had that he didn't

ordinary tri guy

9/6/23 6:32am

Showing you what is obvious would be a waste of my & your time.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 8:04am

Interesting... Do you have a link to the video the replay officials had to determine if it was a correct call or not?

Rhino84

9/6/23 8:27am

It is no assumption that you ignore the video replay rules that disallow...

Les IsMore

9/6/23 9:53am

From the posts, it seems obvious to me that it is not obvious to all.

dratax

9/6/23 10:26am

Ok, don't go watch it for yourself then.

SinkingQuffa

9/6/23 10:30am

I did watch it. I have an opinion based on what I saw

dratax

9/6/23 12:12pm

That has never and should never be the standard. None of us should ever want a

Corn Pop

9/6/23 6:32am

IMO the refs shouldn't even be looking at the replays. It should be someone

boctabulous

9/6/23 7:19am

It is. There's a separate guy in the booth.

Corn Pop

9/6/23 7:34am

IMO when looking at instant replay they should act as if there was never a call

boctabulous

9/6/23 7:14am

That isn’t the point of instant replay or video review. The reply officials are

Littlerich

9/6/23 7:46am

I agree with you. I think it should be changed. The call on the field was

boctabulous

9/6/23 9:47am

But 90% don't agree that the call was wrong. Far less than 90%

Les IsMore

9/6/23 10:30am

I think they should change the way replay is used. Look at the replay as if

boctabulous

9/6/23 10:35am

The rules say "indisputable"

akbarishiwatsu

9/6/23 10:18am

The SHSU coach in post game said the "Conference" told the head ref it was time to move on...

TheLoneCougar

9/6/23 5:24am

I suspect "move on" meant there wasn't no angle that showed the ball hitting the ground so there's no sense in reviewing

Conan

9/6/23 6:25am

I would guess that, but just a weird way to talk about it.

TheLoneCougar

9/6/23 9:07am

Might have been referring to him arguing with the refs for several minutes after

Corn Pop

9/6/23 6:40am

That isn't how the coach described it, but could be.

TheLoneCougar

9/6/23 9:08am

It was just a call. No big deal. Happens all the time on bang bang plays.

ImuaKahuku

9/6/23 5:31am

Probably a bad call on the field, but given the call and lack of camera angles

byuinva

9/6/23 6:22am

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BYUMizzou

9/6/23 6:37am

The refs got it right because it benefitted BYU.

Utesaretheworst

9/6/23 6:39am

If it looks a certain way in real time and there isn't irrefutable evidence

Corn Pop

9/6/23 6:55am

Robinson was interviewed after the game. After listening to him... 0% chance he caught that ball.

HarlemCoug

9/6/23 7:48am

In AFR they mentioned how they interviewed him and asked "did you get away one"

greatbam

9/6/23 9:06am

He didn’t catch it from what it looks like.

davidmj10

9/6/23 7:47am

I'm pretty sure it was the wrong call on the field

BYU Fan

9/6/23 8:44am

Do we feel this way about Bradley's fumble against Utah? Was that also 'the right call'?

krindorr

9/6/23 9:45am

Yes, the Bradley fumble was the right call on replay. The picture with his knee

Skeptical Optimist

9/6/23 9:57am

I think the Bradley call could have been overturned but it was close

BYU Fan

9/6/23 11:20am

Depends on if you define an incorrect call as being bad.

Jarhead

9/6/23 9:41am

i wasn't at the game but the opposing coach seemed to be gesturing

lukeskywalker

9/6/23 10:15am

The review rules don't allow use of cameras...

Les IsMore

9/7/23 1:10am

ref should be allowed to use his best judgment to make the right call

lukeskywalker

9/7/23 9:35am

That’s what they do. Overturning a call is another matter.

Jarhead

9/7/23 10:38am

This would be a bad precedent... Stadium video producers would work to show all the missed calls which would benefit

Rhino84

9/7/23 11:17am

They already do that - just to give coaches a better idea which calls to challenge or not

krindorr

9/7/23 11:20am

We shouldn't have to rely on replay to get correct calls.

ochobeeguy

9/6/23 10:45am

But bad/wrong calls are part of the game — that replay shouldn't be toothless

SinkingQuffa

9/7/23 1:24am

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