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Aug 15, 2022
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The_Cuss
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That wasn't my question... Why can the O recruit non-LDS skill, but not the D?
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for those of you that keep saying that our d was good until the injuries
Kale
8/13/22 4:34pm
We clearly took our foot off the gas and kept things pretty vanilla so we could finally get the Ute monkey off our back.
mulletino
8/13/22 4:40pm
Psychological pressure isn’t being accounted for.
ColdFusion1989
8/13/22 4:40pm
Not defending the defensive performance here, but we were up by 2 scores by
NOCAL_YFAN
8/13/22 4:43pm
21-3 at one point. Missing our 3 best receivers. The only really bad
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:05pm
Your example makes it even worse
chazen
8/13/22 7:21pm
Cougarbib be like
Dark Forest Green
8/13/22 4:46pm
Exactly!
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:06pm
Howabout this?
Blueto
8/13/22 4:46pm
Or this?
Blueto
8/13/22 4:50pm
you guys are amazingly loyal to tuiaki. i don’t get it
Kale
8/13/22 4:55pm
Or we think it clowny that so many are so whiny about Tuiaki in the offseason.
Benfica1
8/13/22 5:14pm
4 out of 6 years he has been above average, one year slightly below and one bad.
Cougzilla
8/13/22 5:21pm
No one should be including 2020 in any offensive or defensive numbers. We played
kotacoug
8/13/22 6:16pm
Then no one should include 2021 because of injuries.
Cougzilla
8/13/22 6:20pm
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The_ATL
8/13/22 7:42pm
Yep. But don’t tell the excuse makers
kotacoug
8/13/22 7:52pm
Fair critique but now you are moving the goal posts.
Cougzilla
8/13/22 8:44pm
Injuries which have been wildly exaggerated
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:21am
Yes. But, why did the BYU offense struggle with GA Southern. I will go with Jet
Cougarbib
8/14/22 8:59am
They didn’t struggle. They couldn’t get on the field.
BYU '80
8/14/22 9:02am
I don’t know. If we lost our best player on O would our O have struggled?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 11:15am
Yes. His name is Tyler Allgeier and we would have struggled, in 2022 the offense
Cougarbib
8/14/22 12:42pm
Well then erase the offense numbers vs the same crap teams - and scratch the #2
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:08pm
Pretty sure he said throw out offensive and defensive numbers
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:22am
Nope, where are you getting that from?
ManicBlue
8/13/22 6:53pm
Crickets ... waiting on those stats. Which years were above average?
ManicBlue
8/14/22 12:21am
Ever heard of google?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 12:29am
RE: Ever heard of google?
ManicBlue
8/14/22 12:41am
Lol. What is your point? We were a independent team with an Honor Code and your
Blueto
8/14/22 7:18am
RE: Lol. What is your point? We were a independent team with an Honor Code and your
ManicBlue
8/14/22 11:01am
It is sad that U don’t see that Sitake loaded the offense with resources after
Cougarbib
8/14/22 12:49pm
Honestly this just proves my point that he isn’t that bad.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 8:11am
Great standard going into playing in one of if not the top offensive league
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:23am
Never said we should settle. Just that he isn’t the worst.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 9:30am
Has ANYONE ever said he was the worst? The point being is that BYU can be better.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 11:00am
If you do a search on CB for “tuiaki” and “worst” it brings up 1000’s of posts.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 11:20am
Why did we get better OCs when we looked for one? We're about to be in a P5 conference so
ManicBlue
8/14/22 11:36am
Ok so you can’t think of anyone either. Good to know.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 11:45am
Seriously lame argument. If you really want a list, I'm sure it wouldn't take much to
ManicBlue
8/14/22 11:58am
Couple things. We have only been a future P5 member for 11 months.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 12:23pm
No guts, no glory. Your motto?
ManicBlue
8/14/22 12:29pm
Bronco is a top defensive mind. One of the best IMO. Can’t count that to be
Cougzilla
8/14/22 12:53pm
Those 50 or 60 'worse' DCs just might be better with BYU's resources too instead of on a G5 Sun Belt team.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 3:53pm
So you want BYU to hire someone who is statically worse than tuiaki but might
Cougzilla
8/14/22 4:00pm
Have you ever hired anyone? Obviously you don't just look at previous statistics. smh
ManicBlue
8/14/22 4:39pm
Yes, previous statistics aren’t irrelevant. Agreed. Good luck.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 5:37pm
RE: Yes, previous statistics aren’t irrelevant. Agreed. Good luck.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 9:35pm
Haha it’s all about who you know. Who do you know that would be good for DC?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 10:43pm
The offense does not have the exact constraints. Unless U call every
Cougarbib
8/14/22 1:02pm
Ignore the clowns and fools.
Cougarbib
8/14/22 1:00pm
Bird in hand better than an imaginary flock in the bush. U might want to go back
Cougarbib
8/14/22 12:59pm
Sitake wouldn’t have gotten hired either. Grimes was a position coach for
Cougarbib
8/14/22 12:57pm
Non sense. Do you want the guy Bronco liked - Howell - that fans hated back?
Cougarbib
8/14/22 12:51pm
Uh no. Not above average.
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:20am
Why is it a bad metric?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 11:47am
This. Too many whiners who whine too much
OldFogey
8/13/22 6:17pm
Why are you content with mediocre?
ManicBlue
8/13/22 10:27pm
You really want to know or just want to argue?
OldFogey
8/14/22 7:19am
Would I ask if I didn't really want to know? I don't understand it.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 11:02am
Here goes:
OldFogey
8/14/22 2:55pm
Great post.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 3:41pm
Agree!
Cougarbib
8/14/22 4:50pm
I finally found time to read your whole post and respond.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 10:36pm
Nice post, I agree.
The_Cuss
8/14/22 10:47pm
LoL compare that to his predecessor and to Hill. Now add his BYU years. Very
Cougarbib
8/14/22 11:50pm
Bro, I love your passion. Don't agree with some of the takes, but not here to
OldFogey
8/15/22 10:02am
You keep taking about how good Bronco was and then saying Tuiaki is bad vs P5s
Blueto
8/15/22 2:20pm
Multiple 10w seasons in a row isn’t Mediocre
Pretorian
8/14/22 7:36am
Despite the d. Not because of it and one against a horrid schedule
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:24am
Exactly right.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 11:03am
This is a very biased take. The defense played well in plenty of games where the
Cougzilla
8/14/22 11:42am
Even going by your very narrow metrics, you're still wrong.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 12:06pm
I Honestly don’t understand your point here.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 12:25pm
Just pointing out that by your metric set for the offense, our defense still wasn't good enough
ManicBlue
8/14/22 12:33pm
How many of those games that we weren’t good enough to win did we win?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 12:43pm
Not the point. We shouldn't have to rely on our offense to always win games.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 12:57pm
Sure in a perfect world both sides of the ball would be elite.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 1:15pm
I'm not asking for elite ... above average would be a nice start.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 3:47pm
What counts as above average? 30-40 ranking? What stats are most important?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 3:52pm
I'd be thrilled with above 40.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 4:40pm
62 or 63 is average FBS
Cougarbib
8/14/22 4:51pm
Ok. What stats are most important?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 5:38pm
I've posted plenty of stats. You ignore them every time.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 10:38pm
Well I’m dumb so tell me again please?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 10:45pm
RE: Well I’m dumb so tell me again please?
ManicBlue
8/14/22 10:49pm
Bcf is who I quoted and you said it was bad. What specific stats do you like?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 11:09pm
RE: Bcf is who I quoted and you said it was bad. What specific stats do you like?
ManicBlue
8/14/22 11:28pm
Ok I sincerely want to know what stats you like to look at. We may disagree on
Cougzilla
8/15/22 11:47am
Teams with garbage D cant win 10 games much less 10 games in back to back
Pretorian
8/14/22 5:16pm
Helps to have a top 15 offense in back to back yrs
ManicBlue
8/14/22 5:23pm
Nobody said the D did it without the O
Pretorian
8/14/22 6:11pm
Can't do it playing a full P5 schedule.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 9:49pm
Except they did
Pretorian
8/15/22 11:13am
There are about 4-5 posters that are completely blinded, maybe personal reasons
kotacoug
8/13/22 5:38pm
I agree 100%
Blueto
8/13/22 5:52pm
No one give a rip about him personally. If he was a good DC and developed a good
kotacoug
8/13/22 6:07pm
U would not know a good product if it crawled up………..and bit your………
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:11pm
Uh ya my wife who barely knows football can read Tuiaki’s defense. It’s
kotacoug
8/13/22 7:51pm
How can we trust her opinion. She married you!
Cougarbib
8/13/22 11:29pm
No those critical of him just look at numbers. Like 107th on third down d
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:24am
These types of posts aren't helpful and only make you sound like the flip side of the coin for the picture you falsely
mulletino
8/14/22 1:03pm
Actually there are 5 such people leading a chorus in the echo chamber where
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:10pm
Five? Maybe of those you haven’t ignored for disagreeing with you
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:26am
What a clown! I have not put anyone on ignore. Ever! Probably should. U and the
Cougarbib
8/14/22 9:04am
Fact…PPP allowed by Tuiaki’s D shows it was marginal at best throughout the
kotacoug
8/13/22 5:37pm
False. PPP shows he has been at least an average DC.
Cougzilla
8/13/22 5:56pm
Throw out 2020 for both offense and defense… that was not a quality
kotacoug
8/13/22 6:15pm
Is it fair to throw out his best year because of schedule and not his worst year
Cougzilla
8/13/22 6:20pm
The schedule was beyond pathetic. If it was even close to being a decent
kotacoug
8/13/22 6:33pm
This is a reasonable post. Is losing 8 starters to injuries normal?
Cougzilla
8/13/22 6:43pm
They lost eight starters the same game? Many of those eight were lost for one or
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:27am
And many played injured. Change your diaper and cheer up!
Cougarbib
8/14/22 9:05am
Without looking it up how many players can you name that started against USC?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 11:21am
After lookin into it, the style of d shouldn’t be a factor for injuries.
Cougzilla
8/13/22 6:55pm
And they rotate a lot.
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:26pm
Well if they could get off the field they wouldn’t have to rotate marginal subs
kotacoug
8/13/22 7:54pm
They were not marginal until the unusual injuries hit. BTW coaches on offense
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:56pm
Pili you mean? Because he was the only one that made a difference
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:29am
Clown post. Tell the DB with career ending injury vs AZ that he made no
Cougarbib
8/14/22 9:08am
I’m not referencing plays per game. I’m talking plays per drive
kotacoug
8/13/22 7:52pm
Who cares. Smart coaches with a 21-3 lead late in 3rd qtr go conservative on
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:58pm
Sure but players are regularly substituted on long drives.
Cougzilla
8/13/22 8:44pm
If d is getting more injuries due to more reps - the offense owes a thank you
Cougarbib
8/13/22 9:12pm
If players are regularly substituted then we're also not playing our best players
ManicBlue
8/13/22 10:26pm
Except fresh players play better than tired players and it develops better depth
Cougarbib
8/13/22 11:32pm
Do you expect the best players to play every play of every game?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 12:20am
I expect them to play the majority of downs and to get off the field before double digit drives.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 12:46am
2021 was an anomaly. Do u realize that? Nearly everyone else realizes it.
Cougarbib
8/14/22 2:17am
If you are talking about last year I am fully aware that we were bad.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 9:31am
We haven't been good on defense since Bronco. Mediocre at best. Why are you defending that?
ManicBlue
8/14/22 11:04am
I would argue above average. I am defending it because people on cb say
Cougzilla
8/14/22 11:22am
Even prior to being invited to the B12, BYU would be an attractive job for most G5 DCs
ManicBlue
8/14/22 12:36pm
What were our options when we fired detmer? I don’t remember an over abundance.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 12:45pm
Grimes was a pretty good option don't you think? In addition, we also had
ManicBlue
8/14/22 1:00pm
Exactly - BYU suddenly emptied the check book to solve the Detmer debacle. O got
Cougarbib
8/14/22 1:08pm
Yes, we had one good option that was a risk. He had never been an OC before.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 1:18pm
Roderick was a good replacement don't you think? Fesi might be one also who has OC experience.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 3:51pm
Great so throw out some defensive names on our staff or anywhere else that would
Cougzilla
8/14/22 3:58pm
Weird I didn't realize that I got the HC job.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 4:41pm
U seem to think U know more than the head coach. I agree that u are not remotely
Cougarbib
8/14/22 4:57pm
Do you have to be the head coach to have an idea on who you want for the DC?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 5:40pm
How about someone who has actually been a DC somewhere before? That's a good start I'd think.
ManicBlue
8/14/22 10:37pm
Any names you would care to share?
Cougzilla
8/14/22 10:46pm
Do U pay any attention to hiring at BYU over the decades? See below:
Cougarbib
8/14/22 11:58pm
If Tuiaki had been given the budget to hire 3 or 4 assistants with previous DC
Cougarbib
8/14/22 4:55pm
Those who argue the injury excuse seem to make that argument
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:30am
Logic is a thing. Every play of every game is different than every game! Read
Cougarbib
8/14/22 9:11am
U can’t toss out 2020 sched as 2 easy and dismiss 4 Top 10 OL opponents in
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:25pm
I agree that Tuiaki has not had great defenses but isn't top 35 in anything
BYU313
8/13/22 9:57pm
Bronco had outstanding defenses so why are you content with mediocre from Tuiaki?
ManicBlue
8/13/22 10:24pm
And yet the clowns in the echo chamber went after every DC he hired and
Cougarbib
8/13/22 11:34pm
J Hill was terrible and everyone pointed it out. Bronco
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:33am
Exactly. You know more than our last 2 head coaches about DC performance.
Cougarbib
8/14/22 9:15am
Who recruits again? Can’t imagine why dl wouldn’t want to play
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:31am
Keep making things up. BM ran 3 DL and clowns and fools claimed that was
Cougarbib
8/14/22 9:17am
Thank you for educating the clowns, fools, trolls, and skimmers spouting lies
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:15pm
People smarter than your one dimensional evaluation are evaluating Tuiaki. Keep
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:13pm
You act like your evaluation and analysis is good and that you’re the authority
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:34am
Actually I am going on Sitake’s authority!
Cougarbib
8/14/22 9:18am
Average is 63. Even clowns know that.
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:41pm
See how emotionally racked your posts are. Irrational defense of Tuiaki
kotacoug
8/13/22 7:57pm
I call these people “MamaTu”. Their boy can do no wrong, but he’s the menace.
ColdFusion1989
8/13/22 8:07pm
And your hatred blinds you! At the risk of seeming racist - a few clowns on
Cougarbib
8/13/22 8:15pm
TMI. Didn’t ask and I don’t care. Continue the thread if you would like.
ColdFusion1989
8/13/22 9:05pm
Pot kettle. Exactly what did U disagree with. I do not know 1 coach on this team
Cougarbib
8/13/22 8:08pm
Don’t you know, his evaluation is the only one that matters
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:35am
2.3 yards per carry and opposing QBR of 55. It wasn't the best defensive performance ever but it got the job done.
Perseguir
8/13/22 4:49pm
I was at the game and the defensive performance was frustrating
Beggar
8/13/22 4:53pm
Same. I knew Arizona wasn’t going to be all that good, but I came out of that
bigbossbyu
8/13/22 5:15pm
Arizona had 27 1st down that game. Topped that once all season at Oregon.
bigbossbyu
8/13/22 5:26pm
That was classic Tuiaki, but his fans seem fine with that performance
vegas guey
8/13/22 5:52pm
PPP was only 1.45. That average the whole year would have been top 10.
Cougzilla
8/13/22 6:18pm
So what. Surprised U didn’t bring up other meaningless stats like TOP, unless
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:50pm
Hate 2 make excuses for the offense since the echo chamber usually handles that,
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:49pm
When you were at the game did u notice AZ had scored ZIP until a few seconds
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:46pm
I was at this game and the D didn't look good. That said – IT WAS LAST YEAR.
Benfica1
8/13/22 5:13pm
We’ve seen passive mediocrity for numerous years
vegas guey
8/13/22 5:54pm
The defense was good in that game. And the next 2 weeks as well. Even Kyle
Cougarbib
8/13/22 7:54pm
Wasn’t this the Arizona coaching staffs first game?
Cougzilla
8/13/22 5:17pm
Definitely, but 1 game of film was enough for SDSU to hold Arizona to 200 less
bigbossbyu
8/13/22 6:45pm
That’s fair. I don’t want to give off the impression that tuiaki is all world.
Cougzilla
8/13/22 7:13pm
U mentioned the score. Funny U want to completely dismiss that. Actually, the
Cougarbib
8/13/22 6:59pm
Can you just be happy with a 10 win season and show some optimism or must you
Pretorian
8/13/22 7:27pm
Don't confuse the CB zealots with facts.
Forzaitalia
8/13/22 7:37pm
The safety changed the game. We were crushing them on D until that point.
EternalOptimism
8/13/22 7:39pm
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The_ATL
8/13/22 7:45pm
LOL. The DC would play the way the HC wanted him to play which would be
Cougarbib
8/13/22 8:19pm
And if tuiaki had Alabama level talent we would not be complaining about him.
Cougzilla
8/13/22 8:45pm
So how long do we give him to recruit better players? Offense is doing it…
The_Cuss
8/13/22 9:58pm
U R Right. Should have left Allgeier at linebacker. He would have been great.
Cougarbib
8/13/22 11:38pm
Allgeier was a walk-on lb. That doesn’t answer for the lousy recruiting
BYU '80
8/14/22 8:36am
It answers 4 the talent being pushed over to offense.
Cougarbib
8/14/22 9:19am
The offense has Alabama level talent? I will have some of what you are having.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 11:23am
I didnt say recruit Alabama level talent. Our O isn’t at Alabama level talent
The_Cuss
8/14/22 2:14pm
Valid question. Maybe they have but injuries have hindered overall performance.
Cougzilla
8/14/22 3:15pm
Simple minds ask simple minded questions. Scholarships are not equally divided
Cougarbib
8/14/22 5:00pm
So is the offense “fixed” in your mind? When was it? If so, when is the Ds turn?
The_Cuss
8/14/22 7:54pm
2021 was an anomaly. Be in denial if U want. At least D and O have the correct
Cougarbib
8/14/22 8:08pm
Denial about what? Is the offense fixed or not according to your excuse?
The_Cuss
8/14/22 10:54pm
Denial about defense. Offense got all of the resources. Defense was fine other
Cougarbib
8/15/22 12:01am
Look at your example. Utah. Their offenses have struggled at times, but decent.
The_Cuss
8/15/22 12:18am
Exactly. Kyle disadvantaged his offenses by disproportionate resources to D and
Cougarbib
8/15/22 1:30am
Why do you say stuff like “voices in my head”? Why so angry? Relax, it’s just a
The_Cuss
8/15/22 8:42am
Echo chamber!
Cougarbib
8/15/22 9:43am
RE: Echo chamber!
The_Cuss
8/15/22 9:59am
84% capacity in attendance was highest for the year. BYU fans are showing up
Bee Chunder
8/13/22 10:51pm
I will not entertain FB opinions from someone who named themselves after the
YOHONOMOTO
8/14/22 11:26am
Holding any team to 16 points is more than good enough...
canndyman
8/14/22 11:33am
No edge talent? Maybe the guy that's currently in his 8th recruiting cycle should address that?
mulletino
8/14/22 1:06pm
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canndyman
8/15/22 11:04am
Easier said than done, my guy!
canndyman
8/15/22 11:10am
So the offense can recruit non-LDS highly skilled and fast talent but the D cant
The_Cuss
8/15/22 11:42am
Should have left Allgeier at linebacker! Resources are skewed to the offense.
Cougarbib
8/15/22 12:14pm
That wasn't my question... Why can the O recruit non-LDS skill, but not the D?
The_Cuss
8/15/22 12:37pm
U state that as fact even though it is not true. There is plenty of non lds
Cougarbib
8/15/22 12:46pm
Not according to Candyman, he said its really hard for the D to recruit those
The_Cuss
8/15/22 12:52pm
And I am not sure why you keep bringing up Algeier.. He was a running back in HS
The_Cuss
8/15/22 12:41pm
It demonstrates exactly. When Allgeier was buried 6th string RB, like usual, he
Cougarbib
8/15/22 12:53pm
Wow, if you want to view it that way go ahead. Done arguing this, its pointless.
The_Cuss
8/15/22 12:55pm
No, I think they can potentially, but I think the offense faces...
canndyman
8/15/22 2:13pm
Clowns replying to you ignore recent defense recruiting success - ez for
Cougarbib
8/14/22 1:16pm
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