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Jan 15, 2021
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Cougarbib

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USU on Maile situation

the_byu_flash

1/15/21 2:34pm

Reads like the U of U police department handled the investigation for USU

rivercitycoug

1/15/21 2:37pm

2 key words: 'expressly stated'.

John Doe

1/15/21 2:38pm

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JimmyZ

1/15/21 3:05pm

RE: USU on Maile situation

Little Mac

1/15/21 2:40pm

Oh brother. Just release what was said already.

stenso

1/15/21 2:42pm

If there was nothing wrong with what she said, she would have said it already

cougfan03

1/15/21 2:51pm

At least they would claim such... my bet is that it was taken as was meant

Saxa

1/15/21 4:05pm

My understanding is that no one recorded it. Which is strange in itself.

John Doe

1/15/21 7:03pm

So, USU investigated its self and everything’s fine. Got it.

Lifi

1/15/21 2:43pm

I think it was Ray Quinney & Nebeker that did the independent investigation.

neboutefan

1/15/21 2:48pm

Two separate law firms did investigations. 1 for USU trustees. 1 for state BOE.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 2:51pm

They used outside legal firms, as schools do in these situation.

Everyman

1/15/21 2:50pm

And the other state schools have their back.

John Doe

1/15/21 3:00pm

So intent matters now? That’s new.

RalphWiggam

1/15/21 2:44pm

Wonder when the report will be made public.

kansascougar

1/15/21 2:45pm

RE: Wonder when the report will be made public.

GeoAg

1/15/21 4:01pm

"Primary concern. . ." also is a problem

RenoCoug

1/15/21 2:46pm

If his religion or ethnicity were even discussed or mentioned its a problem.

kansascougar

1/15/21 2:49pm

Her husband is Hawaiian. I doubt she is biased towards Polynesians.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 5:46pm

You’re missing the point. Those topics are off limits. Period.

kansascougar

1/15/21 6:28pm

And many of the players don't say otherwise. Read the detailed report. She is

Cougarbib

1/15/21 8:55pm

So did I. You don’t know what racist is. Stop

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:15pm

Do you know them?

Charles Darwin

1/15/21 7:33pm

No. But I can read. Read every detail of the detailed report. I do not know any

Cougarbib

1/15/21 8:58pm

Where did you read her husband is Hawaiian?

Charles Darwin

1/15/21 9:09pm

In the details of the detailed report.

Cougarbib

1/16/21 9:38pm

She could be depending on what island. Lots of ill feelings towards one group

Blue for Life

1/15/21 7:49pm

But not generalized ill feelings toward all polys. BTW, I lived in Hawaii for

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:06pm

Haha “She never explicitly said it was the PRIMARY reason he wasn’t hired”

califcougar

1/15/21 2:50pm

It wasn't. His lack of qualifications to be HC are why he was not hired. He may

Cougarbib

1/15/21 2:56pm

Agreed. But his religion and ethnicity should have never been brought up

kansascougar

1/15/21 3:02pm

I am betting that players brought it up as a reason he should be hired and

Cougarbib

1/15/21 5:00pm

You should stop betting. Too many unknowns.

kansascougar

1/15/21 6:29pm

Read the detailed report. Every detail.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:08pm

I did. Not racist. At all

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:16pm

No one on here is saying any different, but according to multiple players she

Blue for Life

1/15/21 7:50pm

Read every detail of the detailed report.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:09pm

We are all now dumber for what we just read! May God have mercy on our souls.

buckeyeod

1/15/21 2:52pm

Bad look Ray Quinney. As a lawyer I’m embarrassed by the wording.

kansascougar

1/15/21 2:53pm

As a lawyer, you should read the entire report before calling anyone out. And

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:27pm

Edit...bad look Stoel as well

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:32pm

So the athletes were too dumb to understand what the school president meant?

DeekLyfter

1/15/21 2:53pm

Well she is resigning. Good riddance.

Genghis Spreads

1/15/21 2:55pm

Are U sure? Emphasis on U. U president just resigned to take another job.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 2:58pm

My bad. They look the same.

Genghis Spreads

1/15/21 6:38pm

I'm guessing she'll be surprised to learn she is resigning.

neboutefan

1/15/21 3:17pm

So they pay a law firm to do an independent investigation and then pay the law

Mountain Rat

1/15/21 2:57pm

2 words: rug. washed.

Bluforever

1/15/21 2:59pm

The whole thing stemmed from Maile’s 3 pillars of recruiting he submitted. It’s why Cockett even talked about it.

RdF3

1/15/21 2:59pm

Nice summary. They should have hired you to write the report. That makes sense.

buckeyeod

1/15/21 3:27pm

Irony. Maile had a racist recruiting strategy. Where is the outrage.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 5:02pm

Proof?

Bullrider

1/15/21 6:55pm

Read every detail of the report. It is in there.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:14pm

Stop. Seriously. Racist? Narrow strategy? Sure. Likely unsuccessful strategy?

kansascougar

1/15/21 7:11pm

Focusing on Polynesian, local, and LDS as 3 pillars of recruiting is not racist?

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:13pm

Oh boy.....the focus wasn’t because he was racist. Geez. He thinks that’s who

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:18pm

Since we are all quibbling about words - you might want to read his words. They

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:21pm

Do you really think a D-1 coach would do that? He’s not dumb. He knows he

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:26pm

Just going to give them preferential treatment. He wrote the words. You want to

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:31pm

That’s not the argument. You used the word racist. Unfounded claim.

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:34pm

Preferential treatment based on race is racist.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:42pm

Member/Non-member has nothing to do with race. RM/Non-RMs has nothing to do

kansascougar

1/15/21 9:53pm

And yet you claim the undocumented claims of what she said were racist and

Cougarbib

1/15/21 10:05pm

I said racist? Nope. Said she never should have brought up his ethnicity or

kansascougar

1/15/21 10:18pm

The players brought it up. And it is speculation what she said in response. Yet

Cougarbib

1/16/21 2:39am

She says the players brought it up. Hartwell doesn’t recall if she brought it

kansascougar

1/16/21 9:00am

Not 1 player said they did not bring it up and common sense would tell you they

Cougarbib

1/16/21 12:27pm

Isn’t he the assistant head coach? Just like Ed Lamb at BYU

Charles Darwin

1/16/21 12:29pm

Yes. He has a token title like Ed Lamb. At least

Cougarbib

1/16/21 12:37pm

You have no idea what youre talking about if you think Lamb has a token title

Charles Darwin

1/16/21 12:41pm

Time will tell, but the moron beat Maile, Lamb, Grimes, & many other candidates

Cougarbib

1/16/21 3:59pm

Never said that coach was a moron.

Charles Darwin

1/16/21 4:17pm

Based on his record, he probably would have bounced back from a bad year in the

Cougarbib

1/16/21 9:28pm

I don’t recall listing any names at all. The program has fallen a lot on his

Charles Darwin

1/16/21 9:31pm

Freeze, Mahlzahn, and Harsin like they are a measuring stick he has not lived

Cougarbib

1/16/21 9:41pm

Those were the seasons prior to him getting the job. It’s been a great launching

Charles Darwin

1/16/21 9:43pm

I would hardly call that down the toilet. I am not going to judge him but Covid

Cougarbib

1/16/21 9:50pm

They went from consistent conference champs to middle of the pack to 4-7

Charles Darwin

1/16/21 9:54pm

Looks like he won more conference championships than any of the other 3.

Cougarbib

1/16/21 10:04pm

Nick Saban

Charles Darwin

1/16/21 10:08pm

Typo. Fixed.

Cougarbib

1/16/21 11:34pm

And notice. Lamb was not picked for USU HC either. Nor was Grimes.

Cougarbib

1/16/21 12:39pm

What does that have to do with anything? You are misrepresenting reality

Charles Darwin

1/16/21 12:42pm

You could argue it’s leadership and HR 101 not to talk about religion and

kansascougar

1/16/21 12:45pm

You misunderstood what all 95 of you expressly heard

BYU Grounds

1/15/21 3:10pm

Secondary concern makes it ok.

Lip Gallagher

1/15/21 3:12pm

This statement is simply to help protect USU from litigation.

TempeCoug

1/15/21 3:25pm

So in other words, she said she was concerned about his religion and culture but did so to promote a discussion?

NihonCougar

1/15/21 3:50pm

Keep making stuff up.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 5:03pm

RE: Keep making stuff up.

ParentingNotForSissy

1/15/21 6:27pm

It is in the detailed report. Read every detail.

Cougarbib

1/15/21 9:15pm

I’m just reading directly from the statement.

NihonCougar

1/15/21 9:16pm

USU to the players: Who you gonna believe?

Little Mac

1/15/21 5:23pm

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zerome4sooners

1/15/21 6:23pm

If he were in the lgbt community and comments were about that would it be

Coug Man in Florida

1/15/21 7:08pm

They got the MSM to help them say what they really meant to say.

Blue for Life

1/15/21 7:46pm

So, her intent wasn't conveyed in the words she actually said to the players.

cosmohio

1/15/21 8:11pm

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