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May 14, 2021
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Cougarbib
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And that argument fits there, too. It has to be a good idea for both parties. It
might be good for BYU to join Big 12, but it wasn't good enough for the Big 12.
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Is there any good reason to NOT try to join the AAC?
krindorr
5/14/21 2:50pm
Geography. Memphis. Nuff said.
SinkingQuffa
5/14/21 2:51pm
Agreed, given travel/geography, it would have to be football only
krindorr
5/14/21 4:00pm
I like Beal Street.
Archaea
5/14/21 4:47pm
2, 3, and 5 are all false IMO.
Lance71
5/14/21 2:53pm
Opinions vs Facts; those teams do outdraw us and do get more money
krindorr
5/14/21 3:23pm
You are wrong about the money. BYU gets more money as an independent. Football
Cougar TD
5/14/21 5:06pm
Also, joining any conference would make it tougher to join a P5 conference since
ManicBlue
5/14/21 10:13pm
I'm suggesting AAC for football only
krindorr
5/15/21 6:46am
You keep saying the money difference would be much better in the AAC.
ManicBlue
5/16/21 3:25am
I'll take your points one at a time
krindorr
5/16/21 7:44am
That's just it, you are going off of "data" you found on the internet.
Cougar TD
5/16/21 11:13am
Data that was published by BYU and is across all sports
krindorr
5/16/21 11:41am
I know, I get it. You are going off that number. But it isn't everything. The
Cougar TD
5/16/21 12:15pm
$5M is/was a huge boost so that's good
krindorr
5/16/21 12:48pm
You state the AAC just signed a new contract but so did BYU.
ManicBlue
5/16/21 1:36pm
Yup, looking forward to BYUs next financial disclosure statement to calculate
krindorr
5/16/21 2:59pm
RE: Yup, looking forward to BYUs next financial disclosure statement to
Cougar TD
5/16/21 3:04pm
BYU and the Church do not publish financial details. Nobody knows exactly what $
Cougarbib
5/16/21 2:04pm
Good points. Exposure and fan access are the keys to Independence
Doogal McCougar
5/17/21 9:17am
Officially leaves the G5? What does that even mean?
Zip
5/17/21 10:19am
In the CFP contract. AAC voluntarily ineligible for the G5's NY6 bid.
Doogal McCougar
5/17/21 10:29am
So what exactly are you accomplishing here?
Zip
5/17/21 10:36am
But right now multiple AAC teams are getting more exposure and better access
krindorr
5/17/21 3:06pm
If it wasn't completely obvious before that you are trolling. This solidifies it
Cougar TD
5/17/21 3:24pm
UCF, Memphis, Cincy all have more viewers than BYU. That's just stating facts
krindorr
5/17/21 3:59pm
OK - list every game last season for those teams and every BYU game showing
Cougarbib
5/17/21 5:43pm
As it turns out, I have that data, that's what I've been basing my comments on
krindorr
5/17/21 7:15pm
That was not what I asked for. Keep it simple. Maybe like
Cougarbib
5/17/21 10:05pm
The AAC isn't terrible, it just isn't better. You really want to argue this, and
Cougar TD
5/17/21 6:46pm
"Access" refers to access to BYU fans and alumni
Doogal McCougar
5/17/21 4:23pm
It was well published by West Virginia that BYU received $4 million just for
Lance71
5/16/21 2:04pm
Good point. I'm sure BYU will make nice $$$ from the game with AZ in Vegas
Doogal McCougar
5/17/21 9:21am
Money. The new contract is not 4.5 a year. Being in a conference doesn't make us better positioned for P5
molodyets
5/14/21 2:53pm
Didn’t Zach Morris hint that it was around 4.5M-5M/yr?
LyleLanley
5/14/21 2:55pm
Not sure if we've signed a new contract how that's changed
krindorr
5/14/21 4:12pm
We have signed a new contract and if you think the contract is only paying the
DeekLyfter
5/14/21 7:37pm
Great, I'd love to update my numbers; do you have any data or facts?
krindorr
5/15/21 6:46am
I don’t see any negatives
LyleLanley
5/14/21 2:54pm
"Inclusion in a G5 conference" No thanks.
Rat
5/14/21 2:57pm
BYU had their best season since 2007 playing a G5 schedule...
WJCougar
5/14/21 3:00pm
Last year was a P5 schedule?
Mountain Rat
5/14/21 3:06pm
what does valley rat have to say?
Agnostic-alumni
5/14/21 3:09pm
If we want to eternally be the BYU of 2006-2009, or 2020, then we should join
shoganai
5/14/21 3:09pm
2006-2009 was awesome - nationally ranked, conference titles, beating Utah, etc
BYU Fan
5/14/21 3:48pm
Well, going to the AAC won't get us any closer to beating Utah again. But, there
shoganai
5/14/21 4:08pm
Sadly, I'm pretty sure we're not playing for a natty as an independent either
krindorr
5/14/21 5:19pm
And therein lies the key difference.
shoganai
5/14/21 6:03pm
If the goal is a natty, I think BYU has just as good of a shot in the AAC
BYU Fan
5/14/21 6:21pm
I strongly disagree.
shoganai
5/14/21 6:55pm
Absolutely no evidence to support that.
CougarThug
5/14/21 8:29pm
No evidence against it either though really
krindorr
5/15/21 6:57am
I believe that recruiting can improve by joining and winning in the AAC
BYU Fan
5/14/21 6:23pm
I doubt that, but I guess we don't really know.
shoganai
5/14/21 6:57pm
Do we have that chance now? NY6 easier in AAC, playoff a pipe dream either way
krindorr
5/14/21 3:50pm
If we called Mike Aresco and said we want to be team 12 it would be a done deal in an hour.
molodyets
5/14/21 3:51pm
Those five years are also the five best QB years in that
wjman11
5/14/21 7:55pm
Only because we had the benefit of the doubt that we wanted better teams but
Rat
5/14/21 3:10pm
Thanks Jarom. We know your stance on this.
flyonawall
5/14/21 3:56pm
Travel...
Phred84044
5/14/21 2:59pm
Travel is a legit issue; my assumption would be that this is football only
krindorr
5/14/21 3:32pm
Yes. Several.
shoganai
5/14/21 2:59pm
Tons. And 2, 3, and 5 aren't true. 1 doesn't matter. 4 isn't worth sacrificing what we have in independence.
YIsForBrigham
5/14/21 3:00pm
But data says 2, 3, 5 ARE true. Seems we just really don't want to accept that
krindorr
5/14/21 3:28pm
No it doesn’t. Your assumptions are incorrect
YIsForBrigham
5/14/21 3:31pm
OK, I at least have data that I'm looking at; can you tell where I'm wrong?
krindorr
5/14/21 3:40pm
it's been had out for years. The arguments are old and boring. Your assumptions are wrong. But that's not new. Faulty
YIsForBrigham
5/14/21 3:43pm
So I keep sharing data and you keep stating it's wrong with no justification...
krindorr
5/14/21 3:45pm
Yep. I'm not really interested in getting into all of it since it's been done a million times. But your assumptions are
YIsForBrigham
5/14/21 3:52pm
I really cannot stand people who argue like you. “Your wrong cuz I can’t handle
GeorgeAlbertsgoatie
5/14/21 4:26pm
Nope. Also wrong. The argument has been hashed out many, many, many times. And I personally have pointed out
YIsForBrigham
5/14/21 5:08pm
But that’s your opinion.
LyleLanley
5/14/21 5:42pm
Link
thebell
5/14/21 7:09pm
Probably because then it's evident there's no justification for those guesses
krindorr
5/14/21 7:27pm
Also because anyone claiming ESPN gives BYU $15M/yr is laughable (SEC gets $20M)
krindorr
5/15/21 7:12am
The SEC was getting ~43 million. ESPN taking over the lone CBS game is giving them a 20mm bump to 60+.
molodyets
5/15/21 9:16am
That's for the conference, not per team. 10yrs/$3B split between 14 teams = $21M
krindorr
5/15/21 9:22am
That is just the contract for the single afternoon game they took from CBS.
molodyets
5/15/21 9:24am
The $45 million was the per team payout and included postseason and bowl bonuses
krindorr
5/15/21 10:22am
You’re misunderstanding. The most recent 21mm deal was just for the the SEC game of the week. That’s it. The entire rest
molodyets
5/15/21 10:52am
Misunderstanding seems to be what he's best at.
DeekLyfter
5/15/21 1:45pm
Holy crap, you're right....
krindorr
5/15/21 4:41pm
Thank you for illustrating my point exactly. And if you don’t care to elaborate
GeorgeAlbertsgoatie
5/14/21 8:23pm
Nope. Even here you’ve demonstrated bad assumptions.
YIsForBrigham
5/14/21 10:07pm
Dude. We get it. Only your opinion matters.
LyleLanley
5/14/21 10:10pm
Such a dumb response.
Ham
5/15/21 7:17am
It doesn't matter what you say you're sharing. You're not actually sharing any
Lip Gallagher
5/14/21 10:14pm
2 assumes that the reason the viewership is higher because of the AAC not vs those programs specifically.
molodyets
5/14/21 3:48pm
Thanks, some validity there; I hope it's not true though (for expansion reasons)
krindorr
5/14/21 3:56pm
It's largely a time zone issue.
molodyets
5/14/21 3:59pm
True, & one of the larger issues against Big12 taking BYU (vs those other teams)
krindorr
5/14/21 4:06pm
Phew, it had been a few weeks since someone posted about going G5.
bluescholar
5/14/21 3:00pm
Yes, more and better reasons than reasons to join
Gustav
5/14/21 3:21pm
Why would a Big-12 bound school want to join the AAC?
zsmooth
5/14/21 3:22pm
Get a Bowl Deal with the Sunbelt, keep our regular season schedules
HawkeyeCoug
5/14/21 3:25pm
Intriguing; not sure this would work, but it's at least thinking outside the box
krindorr
5/14/21 5:38pm
We get into better bowls ourselves than the Sun Belt has. Hard pass.
ManicBlue
5/14/21 10:19pm
You left out playing in a conference based in the east coast
byusage
5/14/21 3:40pm
As a positive or a negative?
krindorr
5/14/21 3:41pm
It's an obvious negative travel wise. Look at history- long distance
byusage
5/14/21 4:10pm
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byusage
5/14/21 4:03pm
Its a G5 - might as well just stop sports.
TeeKaa
5/14/21 4:07pm
Lol at CBer’s claiming points 2, 3 and 5 are not true when there is clear
_Dakoko
5/14/21 5:16pm
Yeah, that is a loser mentality
Zip
5/14/21 5:24pm
Non-football and basketball sports are doing great in the WCC for the most part.
fbguru
5/14/21 5:27pm
Agree, should have specified this is football-only
krindorr
5/14/21 5:31pm
I like the AAC. I like the expanded AAC even more (with BYU, Boise, and SDSU)
Doogal McCougar
5/14/21 6:25pm
At that point you might as well build from scratch
krindorr
5/14/21 7:24pm
“Huge markets” isn’t a great sell for TV money. You need dedicated fans, not warm bodies.
molodyets
5/14/21 8:09pm
Eh, it's a combination; market size = growth potential
krindorr
5/15/21 6:52am
Dead Horse Beating! There are a million reasons not to or it would have
Cougarbib
5/14/21 6:33pm
RE: Dead Horse Beating! There are a million reasons not to or it would have
krindorr
5/14/21 7:06pm
And that argument fits there, too. It has to be a good idea for both parties. It
Cougarbib
5/14/21 8:18pm
The ONLY reason to join AAC would be if becoming part of P6 were part of it.
Hill4Heisman
5/14/21 6:47pm
Good reasons to join also many more reasons not too at this time
kahuna
5/14/21 8:03pm
This is a good measuring stick for the kind of person you are m
Pretorian
5/14/21 8:35pm
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